I'm still waiting for the proof that pilots have lost out.
Mr. TFC has made some bold statements that yet have to be proven true:
Are you kidding me? In EVERY CASE in the past, code share alliances have NEVER benefited pilots/FAs and have ALWAYS resulted in erosion of flying.
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In EVERY instance in the past, these kinds of agreements have resulted in AA PULLING their own aircraft out of markets to let the code share partner do all the flying! Wow, what a windfall!
AA & IB have been partners in oneworld for almost ten years. AA has yet to pull out of MIA-MAD during that time, and has added JFK-BCN.
Net gain in flying for AA pilots.
AA & QF have been codeshare partners for decades. The build-up at LAX has been in large part due to the feeding of QF's four or five evening departures to Oz.
Net gain of flying for AA.
AA & JL have been codeshare partners for a while. No loss of Japan flying aside from SEA-NRT and SJC-NRT, both of which were doomed when the dot com bubble burst. Yet there was no net loss of flying for AA, as LAX-NRT, JFK-NRT, and added DFW-NRT & ORD-NRT flying appeared. If anything,
net gain for AA pilots.
AA & MX have been codeshare partners for a couple years, and in 2009, they'll enter oneworld. No loss of Mexico flying that I can tell the entire time the codeshare's been around.
AA & AS have been codeshare partners for over 20 years. Aside from pulling out of ANC after the Reno deal, there's been no loss of flying for AA. If anything, it's a net gain because AA would have never been able to make the seasonal flying to ANC work without the ability to get feed traffic from AS pax at ANC.
Plus, as AS has added their own nonstops from SEA to places like MIA, ORD, DFW, DCA, etc., there's been no loss of flying for AA pilots in those markets. I'll call that a draw, since they're mostly hub markets which have all increased, but you can't attribute that to the codeshare.
AA and Air Pacific have codeshared for about ten years. No loss of flying for AA.
AA and Cathay Pacific have been oneworld partners for years. Same thing for Finnair, Malev, and Royal Jordanian. No loss of flying for AA.
AA and LAN have also been codeshare partners in Chile, Peru, and Argentina. Net gain of flying for AA pilots to all three countries, but it's hard to say how much of that is due to feed in SCL, LIM, etc. and how much was just organic growth.
AA had a codeshare with Sabena and their successor Brussels Airlines. Likewise with Gulf Air, El Al, and No loss of flying for AA pilots.
Now, there have been a few losses in flying, too.
AA had a codeshare with Swissair and their successor. No loss of flying during the codeshare, although ORD-ZRH did move to DFW-ZRH. JFK-ZRH still survives, but the other flying died after Swiss decided to merge with LH....
AA used to have a codeshare with LH once upon a time, and during that time, AA used to fly to MUC, DUS, STR, and FRA. The LH codeshare ended when they became partners with UA in what led to become Star Alliance. Since then, AA's pulled back on all services to secondary destinations in Germany, mainly because they lost the feed that the codeshare offered.
Net loss to the pilots, but only because the deal went away.
AA & EI were oneworld partners up until a year ago. AA didn't pull out of SNN or DUB while EI was part of oneworld. AA did pull out of SNN, but not because of the codeshare, but because they were required by law to serve SNN up until open skies took effect. Now, they don't have to, and they don't.
Even in the AA/Canadian Airlines deal that died with CP being bought out by Air Canada, AA pilots didn't lose any flying while they were still part of oneworld. If anything, it increased to YYZ, YVR, and YUL, and any loss in flying was a direct result of losing the beyond traffic generated by the codeshare.
That's all verifiable history, sir. Go look at the OAG's, go look at timetables, go look at old bid sheets...
Whatever you want to look at, the erosion you claim above is nothing more than a bucket of prop wash.
Do me a favor and inform yourselves before you post this type of clueless stuff. APA and the other unions are sick and tired of all the lies coming from Centerport. No we don't trust them AT ALL. If we reject something from the company, you can BE SURE it is with good reason - because we've been lied to several times in the past!
Do yourself a favor and stop drinking the APA hate-aid. You've obviously been a bunch of crap from your union reps, becaise nothing you've posted is even remotely true.
If anything, the only loss of flying as a result of international codesharing has been when the relationships have been terminated. If anything, you'd think APA would be smart enough to realize that entering into a stronger partnership is what will guarantee long term flying opportunities for AA's pilots.
