AA grounds the sp80 fleet....

[jimntx]

Now I'm wondering how many pilots, flight attendants and baggage handlers will be sent home for a day or two . . . . without pay!

No need to worry about the flight attendants. The company has magnanimously allowed us to use next year's vacation days to make up for the lost income from these cancellations. Could they be any better to us?

 

[TWU informer]

.. :blink:

 

[ual777fan]

Hard Ball will be met with Hard Ball.

Put up another Billboard about cancellations and see what happens next.

Stupid is as Stupid does.

Just watch as the $5 Billion fllies out the window, then a BK filing, and then your sacred cow pensions gone to the PGBC.

You think AA managed to pull another FAA order out of their ass the day after the pilots put up that billboard in an attempt to show them off? You think AA would lose millions of dollars just to try to one up the pilots union? Wow, if the management is that short sighted, clueless and vindictive I would hope they all lose their jobs. I don't think they are seeing how AA has still managed to stay out of bankruptcy even with oil at $110 a barrel.

 

[TWU informer]

.. :blink:

 

[Richard]

OK, stop the hijacking of this thread--it's not about labor it's about the grounding of airplanes.

Keep on topic or it will be closed and those who choose to continue digressing will have some time to think about it.

 

[TWU informer]

OK, Sure thing Richard, I will gladly take my opinions on this matter elsewhere.

Have a great day!

 

[eolesen]

The FAA didn't "ORDER" the groundings last time, they were "VOLUNTARY".

And these are also.

Not so sure about these being voluntary, Dave. The must-comply date for the AD was 31 March. Last month's grounding was ahead of the must-comply date.

Per someone at DFW, the FAA did a spot inspection last night, and found 9 out of 10 aircraft with "innacurate spacing" on the tie-wraps.

So, AA may have put the aircraft on the ground voluntarily, but that's like resigning in lieu of termination... One way or another, you're out of work.

 

[TWU-GOTTA-GO]

Not so sure about these being voluntary, Dave. The must-comply date for the AD was 31 March. Last month's grounding was ahead of the must-comply date.

Per someone at DFW, the FAA did a spot inspection last night, and found 9 out of 10 aircraft with "innacurate spacing" on the tie-wraps.

So, AA may have put the aircraft on the ground voluntarily, but that's like resigning in lieu of termination... One way or another, you're out of work.

The FAA was spot checking at the gate and was yanking them out of service one-by-one. After around 14 of them being yanked this afternoon, all of them were grounded; by whom, I'm not sure. This would be in addition to the last night story.

 

[ual777fan]

Not so sure about these being voluntary, Dave. The must-comply date for the AD was 31 March. Last month's grounding was ahead of the must-comply date.

Per someone at DFW, the FAA did a spot inspection last night, and found 9 out of 10 aircraft with "innacurate spacing" on the tie-wraps.

So, AA may have put the aircraft on the ground voluntarily, but that's like resigning in lieu of termination... One way or another, you're out of work.

Yup and Yup. I want to know two things...
1) Why American? It's probably the safest of the domestic carriers as I can't think of the last time an AA flight crashed due to bad maintenance... (AA 191 in 1979?). Did someone's boss at TUL or MCI sleep with the FAA inspector's wife? (and I asking that question mostly out of jest and to try to add a little humor to this miserable situation).

2) When are they going to start taking a close look at NWA DC-9's? There is no way in hell those planes are meeting all of their air worthiness requirements, especially with all the scab maintenance running around.

 

[tech2101]

Christ almighty, if it isn't a safety of flight issue then there is no reason this couldn't be taken care of the next time the planes come in for a C-Check right? Why the hell do the need to ground the whole fleet over something, the FAA admits, doesn't affect the safety of the planes in the air?

Right is right. Wrong is wrong.

Where do you want to draw the line?

That is why there are manuals and FAR's. If you don't want to follow them. Get out of the industry.

 

[tech2101]

2) When are they going to start taking a close look at NWA DC-9's? There is no way in hell those planes are meeting all of their air worthiness requirements, especially with all the scab maintenance running around.

I agree totally there.

Where was the NWA inspector that was removed after NWA complained? He was not invited to Oberstar's parade. Perhaps because he didn't want to soil his own backyard? The exact same thing happened at NWA. Listen to the IG in the hearing. He mentioned NWA a couple of times and Oberstar never followed up on it.

Write Oberstar and ask him about it.

 

[txgunnr]

Welcome to the new FAA, anyone in the industry knows AA has a top notch maintenance department. The only major with all in house work, you guys rock. This is all fallout from the whistle blower case at WN. Just hold your heads high and know we are all on your side. This will soon pass and we will all be better for it. I'd fly on an American MD-80 any day.

 

[MCI transplant]

Yup and Yup. I want to know two things...
1) Why American? It's probably the safest of the domestic carriers as I can't think of the last time an AA flight crashed due to bad maintenance... (AA 191 in 1979?). Did someone's boss at TUL or MCI sleep with the FAA inspector's wife? (and I asking that question mostly out of jest and to try to add a little humor to this miserable situation).

2) When are they going to start taking a close look at NWA DC-9's? There is no way in hell those planes are meeting all of their air worthiness requirements, especially with all the scab maintenance running around.

<_< ----- Not I!!! Said the big bad wolf! :unsure:------ But you know this has got to effect AA's bottom line! Which will indirectly effect all our negotiations!

 

[flyhigh]

This really is the worst possible thing they could have happen right now. This is the kind of event that could have some sort of lasting effect. The first time last month seemed like an FAA lynching, this seems like AA rushed things and didn't pay attention. Just looks bad...unfortunate.

 

[The Goose]

Yup and Yup. I want to know two things...
1) Why American? It's probably the safest of the domestic carriers as I can't think of the last time an AA flight crashed due to bad maintenance... (AA 191 in 1979?). Did someone's boss at TUL or MCI sleep with the FAA inspector's wife? (and I asking that question mostly out of jest and to try to add a little humor to this miserable situation).

2) When are they going to start taking a close look at NWA DC-9's? There is no way in hell those planes are meeting all of their air worthiness requirements, especially with all the scab maintenance running around.

They probably won't do a thing about NWA.

Have you forgotten that Elaine Chou (sp?) was on the NWA board of directors? Don't forget also she's married to (I believe) a Kentucky senator.