AA grounds the sp80 fleet....

[NewHampshire Black Bears]

These "things" seem to always happen on a ..."Tuesday/Wednesday".... 🙄

I wonder how many..Hundreds of Thou$ands of $$ AA saved on Fuel, these 2 times ?

 

[ual777fan]

These "things" seem to always happen on a ..."Tuesday/Wednesday".... 🙄

I wonder how many..Hundreds of Thou$ands of $$ AA saved on Fuel, these 2 times ?

And how many millions it cost them in lost revenue, expenses for compensation (vouchers for hotels, airfares, food) and the cost to rebook all those passengers on other airlines. This isn't counting the damage to AA's image. I'm sure the AA bean-counters sat and decided to forfeit millions in revenue, piss off tons of passengers, increase expenses by knocking planes and crews out of place all to save fuel expenses.... <_<

 

[PRINCESS KIDAGAKASH]

All this MD-80 wiring AD mess is coming from an FAA Inspector by the name of ANDY BLOSSER. Andy is a very knowledgeable person,especially when it comes to wires and/or avionics. You can't B.S. this guy at all. If you want to blame someone for this mess, blame M+E management. QA inspectors were never called to inspect these AD wire mods despite QA management warning M+E management of a potential diaster. This is an example of where the RII program failed and it has failed miserablely.

 

[xmarlin]

All this MD-80 wiring AD mess is coming from an FAA Inspector by the name of ANDY BLOSSER. Andy is a very knowledgeable person,especially when it comes to wires and/or avionics. You can't B.S. this guy at all. If you want to blame someone for this mess, blame M+E management. QA inspectors were never called to inspect these AD wire mods despite QA management warning M+E management of a potential diaster. This is an example of where the RII program failed and it has failed miserablely.

Are you saying there was no buyback requirement on the original ECO? I find that hard to believe if it was a pending AD ECO. As for the RII requirement, is a wire bundle final installation listed as RII?

 

[limit]

The maintenance card used was 100% buy back.The new revision last night is the same.

The way the Eco was written (and still is ) very very poorly.
Even last night some FAA inspectors were unsure about what the paperwork really said.
This is first hand info.
If they are unsure and are making conference calls, with tech crew chiefs and engineers,
you can understand why the confusion among the ranks.

 

[mrman]

AA is getting very bad press this morning in Dallas with local media with people stranded in airport etc. Add this performance where AA headquarter spokesman walks off camera. Not best performance to the "reporter"

http://cbs11tv.com/seenon/AA.Safety.Inspection.2.695338.html

 

[Flyboy4u]

I Just keep finding it amusing how many TM's I have racked up in the past 12hours...All of this for a sequence I signed in for, confirmed by my FSM, and was released to go home ( to my commuter city ) by managment and scheduling. Why are you schedulers so quick to give TM's without actually understanding what's going on?....I guess it continues to stand true at AA "guilt" before i"nnocence".

 

[SkydrolJunkie]

anyone in the industry knows AA has a top notch maintenance department.

You should observe the midnight shift line mechanic !!

 

[WingNaPrayer]

I no longer doubt that AMR is purposely trying to put this airline in a precarious position, both financially, and from a PR standpoint and it is all about contract negotiations. The more the carrier is hurting, the more AA is going to say no to giving back what they bargained for 5 years ago.

No matter what occurs right now, it does not affect how much the executives will reap in bonuses next week, that is already set in stone.

The only thing that will remain to be seen is just how big the balls are on the chosen bankruptcy judge. Will the judge go after bankruptcy proof assets that have been stashed away for the past several years, or will the judge let the executives walk, with all their benefits securely and snugly in their pockets.

It is all about the contract negotiations.

Let me repeat that . . . it is all about the contract negotiations.

They did not have to ground the stupid 80 fleet!

The first agent that gets physically assaulted by an irrate passenger over this . . . I'll hire them the lawyer myself!

 

[PRINCESS KIDAGAKASH]

The original ECO was an RII buyback card. Meaning anybody with RII authorization could sign off the inspection buyback. No QA inspectors were called to inspect this mod. As a result of this many mechanics did their own thing and didn't follow the ECO to the letter knowing that their crewchief would sign it off anyway. The ECO is now a 100% QA buyback card and only a QA inspector can sign it off. This ECO was written from a Boeing service bulletin that is a novel in itself in volume. So, I can see how difficult it was to translate the S.B. into an ECO form that is easy to understand.

 

[limit]

They did not have to ground the stupid 80 fleet!

I do not believe they had a choice.
I was told they did it "voluntarily", so that he Feds would not do it for them.

Willingly or not it does help with negotiations.

 

[WingNaPrayer]

I do not believe they had a choice.
I was told they did it "voluntarily", so that he Feds would not do it for them.

Willingly or not it does help with negotiations.

The reason I don't believe they had to take down the entire 80 fleet is because just a couple of weeks ago, they took out several of them and had already done the checks and changes. Those planes still should have flown. They didn't because AA is pulling a fast one.

It will all come out in the wash eventually. I'm waiting for the FAA to step up and say it wasn't necessary - that they would have worked with AA to get it done or something. This gives congress an even nastier taste for the FAA who is going to be partially to blame for scaring an airline into shutting down a chunk of their service, putting a hole in the transportation system and stranding countless thousands of their constituents.

The ripple effect is far reaching.

 

[limit]

The reason I don't believe they had to take down the entire 80 fleet is because just a couple of weeks ago, they took out several of them and had already done the checks and changes. Those planes still should have flown. They didn't because AA is pulling a fast one.

It will all come out in the wash eventually. I'm waiting for the FAA to step up and say it wasn't necessary - that they would have worked with AA to get it done or something. This gives congress an even nastier taste for the FAA who is going to be partially to blame for scaring an airline into shutting down a chunk of their service, putting a hole in the transportation system and stranding countless thousands of their constituents.

The ripple effect is far reaching.

Now that I know why you think this way ,I can tell you with certainty you are wrong .

It is obvious you are not well informed about what is happening.
Those airplanes were not inspected after being repaired.
They might be correct, but you will not know until you inspect them again (by QA this time).
At that point if they are correct they fly ,if not whatever needs fixing will be fixed and reinspected by QA.
There are other issues that are causing confusion, even as we speak, because of how the paperwork was written.

 

[WingNaPrayer]

Now that I know why you think this way ,I can tell you with certainty you are wrong .

It is obvious you are not well informed about what is happening.
Those airplanes were not inspected after being repaired.
They might be correct, but you will not know until you inspect them again (by QA this time).
At that point if they are correct they fly ,if not whatever needs fixing will be fixed and reinspected by QA.
There are other issues that are causing confusion, even as we speak, because of how the paperwork was written.

Then reporting on the issue is extremely flawed. Situations like that only serve to inflame the traveling public.

Tell me about paperwork! I resigned myself long ago to believe that paperwork is rarely correct, bogs things down, and should be used for nothing but the wiping of one's fanny.

Aside from that, it's all still a mess and if you believe I was incorrect, just imagine a few thousand passengers all with mis-information and self-formed ideas about what is going on because an AA spokesman walks off camera the split second the issue of safety is mentioned. I can just imagine what that type of behavior makes passengers think. I know I didn't think it was none too swift! It certainly doesn't bode well for the future of butts in seats at American Airlines!

Again, the ripple effect is far reaching.

 

[nbmcg01]

Then reporting on the issue is extremely flawed. Situations like that only serve to inflame the traveling public.

Tell me about paperwork! I resigned myself long ago to believe that paperwork is rarely correct, bogs things down, and should be used for nothing but the wiping of one's fanny.

Aside from that, it's all still a mess and if you believe I was incorrect, just imagine a few thousand passengers all with mis-information and self-formed ideas about what is going on because an AA spokesman walks off camera the split second the issue of safety is mentioned. I can just imagine what that type of behavior makes passengers think. I know I didn't think it was none too swift! It certainly doesn't bode well for the future of butts in seats at American Airlines!

Again, the ripple effect is far reaching.

I feel sorry not only for the flying public but the crew members who are losing pay through no fault of their own. To be forced to use vacation days to cover a maint. issue of this magnitude is unbelievable. Here's hoping that AA will step up to the plate and do the right thing.