AA grounds the sp80 fleet....

[LGA Fleet Service]

Here's hoping that AA will step up to the plate and do the right thing.

They won't,trust me.

 

[Hopeful]

They won't,trust me.

I wonder if any heads are gonna roll.............probably not.

 

[777 fixer]

It will all come out in the wash eventually. I'm waiting for the FAA to step up and say it wasn't necessary - that they would have worked with AA to get it done or something.

Like that would ever happen.

 

[WingNaPrayer]

Yeah well, one can dream! 😉

 

[A/C FIXER]

The FAA was spot checking at the gate and was yanking them out of service one-by-one. After around 14 of them being yanked this afternoon, all of them were grounded; by whom, I'm not sure. This would be in addition to the last night story.

This only shows how management dosen't have a "pair". C.R.Smith would never have let the Feds ground an entire fleet, and as an example he reamed Pete Quasada a new one when the Feds tried to ground the Electras, and they were falling out of the sky. Lets see safety of flight and non-safety of flight, oh forget it lets just ground the whole fleet.

 

[Barfbag]

This really is the worst possible thing they could have happen right now.

Yes; Chicken Little, it's the perfect storm.

 

[WingNaPrayer]

This only shows how management dosen't have a "pair". C.R.Smith would never have let the Feds ground an entire fleet, and as an example he reamed Pete Quasada a new one when the Feds tried to ground the Electras, and they were falling out of the sky. Lets see safety of flight and non-safety of flight, oh forget it lets just ground the whole fleet.

Ummm, the feds didn't ground the 80 fleet. AMR did it themselves.

Or am I reading this wrong?

 

[Hopeful]

Gee...maybe Conley was right about suggesting the workers should not have high expectations of the contract. This MD-80 mess paired with the price of oil is serious stuff...Maybe we should voluntarily take a reduction in pay for another 6 years to help the company buy new airplanes and help foot the gas bill....

SOMEBODY IN AA M&E AND QA NEEDS TO GET FIRED OVER THIS JUST LIKE THE COMPANY FIRES MECHANICS FOR SLEEPING AFTER THEY DID THEIR WORK...THEY NEED TO FIRE THE BIG SHOTS WHO WERE ASLEEP WHILE THEY SHOULD'VE BEEN WORKING!

 

[WingNaPrayer]

Maybe we should voluntarily take a reduction in pay for another 6 years to help the company buy new airplanes and help foot the gas bill....

Are you looking to get slapped?

 

[A/C FIXER]

Ummm, the feds didn't ground the 80 fleet. AMR did it themselves.

Or am I reading this wrong?

Wing I stand corrected.

 

[xmarlin]

The original ECO was an RII buyback card. Meaning anybody with RII authorization could sign off the inspection buyback. No QA inspectors were called to inspect this mod. As a result of this many mechanics did their own thing and didn't follow the ECO to the letter knowing that their crewchief would sign it off anyway. The ECO is now a 100% QA buyback card and only a QA inspector can sign it off. This ECO was written from a Boeing service bulletin that is a novel in itself in volume. So, I can see how difficult it was to translate the S.B. into an ECO form that is easy to understand.

But, But, But....Doesn't QA sign off on the original ECO prototype? :unsure:

 

[The Goose]

Gee...maybe Conley was right about suggesting the workers should not have high expectations of the contract. This MD-80 mess paired with the price of oil is serious stuff...Maybe we should voluntarily take a reduction in pay for another 6 years to help the company buy new airplanes and help foot the gas bill....

SOMEBODY IN AA M&E AND QA NEEDS TO GET FIRED OVER THIS JUST LIKE THE COMPANY FIRES MECHANICS FOR SLEEPING AFTER THEY DID THEIR WORK...THEY NEED TO FIRE THE BIG SHOTS WHO WERE ASLEEP WHILE THEY SHOULD'VE BEEN WORKING!

Where in hell did you ever get the idea a management member was expected to do anything productive? Productivity is not in their job descriptions - they are nothing but overhead costs but do serve to inflate someone's ego who gets paid more for doing less, go to meetings, and provide said "higher-up" with a patsy (insulation) should things go terribly wrong.

 

[AirLUVer]

For any mechanics, of the final inspections - How many planes passed and how many failed and had to be re-done?

 

[FWAAA]

I feel sorry not only for the flying public but the crew members who are losing pay through no fault of their own. To be forced to use vacation days to cover a maint. issue of this magnitude is unbelievable. Here's hoping that AA will step up to the plate and do the right thing.

Well, here's the APFA response to the last time that AA management stepped up and did the right thing:

http://www.apfa.org/images/press/011608_employee_bonuses.pdf

Here's the APA's response:

MANAGEMENT ANNOUNCES TOKEN EMPLOYEE BONUSES: As part of today’s fourth-quarter and year-end 2007 earnings announcement, management announced that American Airlines employees would receive $800 bonuses. In an indication of management’s misplaced priorities, bonuses for pilots who were on military leave of absence serving our country or unable to fly due to illness during the year will be reduced for any time away from active American Airlines flying.

In our view, these token payments are primarily intended to divert attention away from the huge payouts management has been receiving for the past few years. We would be much more encouraged by news that management has finally decided to cease their delay tactics at the bargaining table and instead conduct substantive negotiations to recognize our sacrifices and restore our profession.

When you visit your chief pilot’s office to collect your token $800 bonus check, we recommend that you refrain from engaging in conversation. Instead, give your chief a copy of the letter we are providing to you this evening in an e-mail message from the APA President. If your chief persists in attempting to engage you in conversation, remind him that APA speaks for you.

http://www.alliedpilots.org/Public/PublicR...asp?id=20080116

$67 million handed out to employees despite not hitting the profit sharing plan targets (in yet another negotiating failure by the three unions), and this was the thanks they got?

Let's see. AA's gonna be down tens of millions of dollars of revenue and out-of-pocket to reaccomodate passengers because of this failure, and the pilots and FAs are asking "what about us?" AA pays out millions to pay the pilots and FAs for Tue-Thur hours not worked, so the work groups can buy more billboards? I can just see Arpey and the others holding up their middle fingers in response to this one.

Pay protection in the event of massive management/maintenance department failure might be a good thing to have negotiated in the contract.

 

[xmarlin]

Well, here's the APFA response to the last time that AA management stepped up and did the right thing:

http://www.apfa.org/images/press/011608_employee_bonuses.pdf

Here's the APA's response:



http://www.alliedpilots.org/Public/PublicR...asp?id=20080116

$67 million handed out to employees despite not hitting the profit sharing plan targets (in yet another negotiating failure by the three unions), and this was the thanks they got?

Let's see. AA's gonna be down tens of millions of dollars of revenue and out-of-pocket to reaccomodate passengers because of this failure, and the pilots and FAs are asking "what about us?" AA pays out millions to pay the pilots and FAs for Tue-Thur hours not worked, so the work groups can buy more billboards? I can just see Arpey and the others holding up their middle fingers in response to this one.

Pay protection in the event of massive management/maintenance department failure might be a good thing to have negotiated in the contract.

"...AA's gonna be down tens of millions of dollars of revenue and out-of-pocket to reaccomodate passengers because of this failure..."

What failure?