AA in talk with airbus for 100 narrow body aircraft

[Frank Szabo]

A guy I know in capacity planning at one airline says they're lamenting the decision to dump the 757 in favor of cheaper 321s. They just don't have the same mission capability, and the service life is clearly going to be 5-9 years shorter than the Boeings...

Not sure re: the "why" part, but the 300s American had seemed stiff and because of that were quite prone to cracking especially in the gas tanks, coupled with the issue of material inferiority - ie, European Aluminum -, that made for a junky aircraft.

If our Centrepork infestation really wants to do this because the numbers are "right" (rather than simply toying with Boeing for some reason), let 'em. The overtime will be great guns for a while and new fixturing (my area) will be needed.

 

[777 fixer]

Can't say re: the "MD" way but for certain was the foolish (to put it mildly) attempt to conduct R&D far from home in a foreign country while trying to run a production line in Renton. A company MUST do its own R&D then then PROVEN design can be produced anywhere else - step one was ignored by Boeing's educated idiots, throwing a family-sized monkey wrench in all successive steps.

I'm not convinced the 78 will meet Boeing's standards - it will probably just "barely" get its "OK" papers from the FFA and anymore, that's not a helluva compliment.

If this isn't a "hurry up" ploy on the part of American, what does anyone know about the 320/321 aircraft? Are they prone to cracking like the 300 and 310 series?

Much new fixturing to be built for the geared fan motor from Pratt if they go this way - should be interesting.

When you look at how Boeing has handled the 787 program it is awfully similiar to how MD handled their commercial business. Farm out more and more of building of the aircraft was the name of the game.

 

[WorldTraveler]

Boeing is facing some enormous challenges and they had better overcome them or their ability to compete with Airbus will be permanently damaged.
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I would presume that part of the "attraction" of Airbus products is that they are alot cheaper to acquire - and that is based on the known fact that they won't last as long.
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It is still very possible that AA could buy 320neo series aircraft at a deep discount knowing full well that AA will "get the opportunity" to replace them again in 10 years.
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It is also possible that A is willing to take a huge amount of M80s off AA's hands very quickly in order to win the deal, something B may not be willing to do.
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AA's best decision might be the one that allows the fastest change to happen now and then deal with the rest of the issues later. Ten years in the airline industry is an eternity.

 

[IORFA]

Don't forget the A-300's still sitting in the desert. They could work them into the mix as well.

 

[MCI transplant]

When you look at how Boeing has handled the 787 program it is awfully similiar to how MD handled their commercial business. Farm out more and more of building of the aircraft was the name of the game.

<_< ------And from what I've heard, that's one of the main reasons for the delivery date problems.

 

[Frank Szabo]

Boeing is facing some enormous challenges and they had better overcome them or their ability to compete with Airbus will be permanently damaged.
.
I would presume that part of the "attraction" of Airbus products is that they are alot cheaper to acquire - and that is based on the known fact that they won't last as long.
.
It is still very possible that AA could buy 320neo series aircraft at a deep discount knowing full well that AA will "get the opportunity" to replace them again in 10 years.
.
It is also possible that A is willing to take a huge amount of M80s off AA's hands very quickly in order to win the deal, something B may not be willing to do.
.
AA's best decision might be the one that allows the fastest change to happen now and then deal with the rest of the issues later. Ten years in the airline industry is an eternity.

Being subsidized by the various countries they operate in, Scarebus can afford to build "whitetails" (aircraft waiting for interiors and other buyer-spec items) and have them sitting on a ramp somewhere waiting. No doubt they're more quickly available.

Boeing would be wise to certify their 73 with more than the CFM engine - ie, that Pratt geared fan motor - as a stop gap to quit bleeding sales losses to Scarebus.

European AL is inferior to that of the USA - talk to some who work on the damned things and quit listening to the ties - they haven't a clue except for the numbers presented by salesmen. This causes more airframe problems like cracking in the structure.

 

[Duke787]

http://atwonline.com/eco-aviation/article/boeing-commits-737-ecodemonstrator-0624

interesting

 

[Frank Szabo]

http://atwonline.com/eco-aviation/article/boeing-commits-737-ecodemonstrator-0624

interesting

Read this some time ago but I don't believe American was mentioned - guess Boeing was feeling around for a "partner".

Make the wings longer, change the geometry a bit, and try other engines (Pratt geared fan) besides the CFM. Send the funny paper to TULE Tool & Die and we'll make the mount for 'em.

 

[Buck]

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[FA Mikey]

I just started a new rumor that AA is buying A320's so when they acquire Jet blue there will be some compatibility.

 

[damajagua]

I just started a new rumor that AA is buying A320's so when they acquire Jet blue there will be some compatibility.

Sorry but I have already heard that rumor on the line. LOL

 

[787nightmare]

The 787-9 and 10 will be a smoother, better experience for Boeing.
They're bringing more of the mfg back in-house. Trust me, a lot of blinds were ripped off the windows in Chicago.

 

[BartlettAve]

Sorry but I have already heard that rumor on the line. LOL

One could argue the campatability with US Airways.

 

[damajagua]

One could argue the campatability with US Airways.

The reason why I personally do not think nothing is in the work with
US is because if AA and US where working to form a closer relationship
US would have left the star alliance and join oneworld but on the
contrary US has not shown any interest in leaving star which leads
me to believe that AA/JB have a better chance of coming together
Than AA/US.

 

[777 fixer]

The 787-9 and 10 will be a smoother, better experience for Boeing.
They're bringing more of the mfg back in-house. Trust me, a lot of blinds were ripped off the windows in Chicago.

What exactly are they bringing back in house?