AAA/AWA pilots begin to put this behind us...

[Tiger 1050]

As an AWA pilot it was suggested to me by a AAA pilot begin a thread that is... Well... What we make it. Maybe we can start to walk a mile in each other's shoes.

So here ya go east. An olive branch from a westie...

Tiger

P.S. I'm not really interested in talking about the award or what you think is right or wrong. Just want to get to know some of you and try to live a day in your world...

 

[AAA73Pilot]

As an AWA pilot it was suggested to me by a AAA pilot begin a thread that is... Well... What we make it. Maybe we can start to walk a mile in each other's shoes.

So here ya go east. An olive branch from a westie...

Tiger

P.S. I'm not really interested in talking about the award or what you think is right or wrong. Just want to get to know some of you and try to live a day in your world...

The olive branch!! WOW!! I think the best thing anyone can do is to stop the personal attacks on each other. We may not agree on a lot of things but so far regurgitating the same old arguments has solved what to date? I may disagree, and they are posted in other threads.

If you take the time to meet your counterpart you will find we/they are not bad people after all. I would like to keep this thread positive. No need to harp on the negative here please!!!

BTW. I know a west pilot who is a recent new DAD!!!!! CONGRATULATIONS THERE PAPA!!!! If you're here reading this.

 

[Pacemaker]

I flew for over 15 years at USAir and with very few exceptions was treated very well by fellow pilots and by F/A's. Trips were enjoyable even in the darkest of times. The training was top notch and almost always a pleasant expereince. You guys - we - deserved a lot better.

 

[Piedmont1984]

Personally, speaking only with regard to my own situation, I could live with this award in the interest of unity and in order to move forward. I am not happy with it, while my counterpart from the west is probably grinning ear-to ear, but I can put it behind me. I am a captain, with decent seniority, and that will not change. My career expectations are intact.

But the fellow I just flew with, and all those hired here between about '86 and '90, cannot live with it. The reasons have been discussed on these boards ad nauseum.

These are the fellow pilots I have worked with for two decades now. Their cause is my cause. It is why I went down to Herndon in May, why I sent in my decertification card, why I no longer care to hear what John Prater or ALPA national has to say; unless they start saying something meaningful, rather than talking through their lawyers.

I do not think the Nicolau award in it's present form will ever be implemented. The West needs to come to that realization more than the East needs to stop threatening Armaggedon. In a way, the West MEC is now dragging this process out by claiming the higher than thou road and refusing to even consider any meaningful compromise. They think the award will prevail.

It has now become a horse race. ALPA's Rice Committee vs the USAPA effort. Whoever succeeds in overturning the award or mitigating it's effects wins the race. Although I believe we are better off (all of us) with an in-house union, whoever loses the race, ALPA or USAPA, will probably become history on this property. FWIW.

K. Volodzko
AB Capt
PHL

 

[Junebug172]

Personally, speaking only with regard to my own situation, I could live with this award in the interest of unity and in order to move forward. I am not happy with it, while my counterpart from the west is probably grinning ear-to ear, but I can put it behind me. I am a captain, with decent seniority, and that will not change. My career expectations are intact.

MOD NOTE: AGAIN Please refrain from quoting entire lengthy posts especially when you reply to the post directly above your reply.


Until your guys get it through your thick heads that the Nicolau Award will NEVER be overturned/amended, all that olive branch will be used for is tickling the underside of my family jewels.

It will be implemented - its inevitable because Parker does not and will not tolerate separate operations. One way or the other, your pilot group will be presented with a TA and will vote it in. I'm in personal contact with a few of the east pilots and when I tell them what's on the table, it has consistently peaked their interest.

USAPA will do nothing to overturn Nicolau - period. You have to accept that. If the decert is for emotional reasons, fine. But if you're doing it to get rid of Nicolau, you're wasting your time.

Get off overturning Nicolau because your MEC has. The lawsuit is dead and that's been admitted to by even USAPA's lawyers and your almighty USA320Pilot.

And there will be NO negotiating anything. That time has come and gone. And it would set a horrible precedent if we were to go back and make any changes.

So, to some it up for some of you pinheads:

Nicolau will NOT be overturned nor wil it ever be amended. And implementation is around the corner.

 

[Mike]

'>>>>>>Until your guys get it through your thick heads that the Nicolau Award will NEVER be overturned/amended, all that olive branch will be used for is tickling the underside of my family jewels.<<<<<<<So much for the "Olive Branch" Way to go Junebug! 🙄

 

[Tiger 1050]

Until your guys get it through your thick heads that the Nicolau Award will NEVER be overturned/amended, all that olive branch will be used for is tickling the underside of my family jewels.

It will be implemented - its inevitable because Parker does not and will not tolerate separate operations. One way or the other, your pilot group will be presented with a TA and will vote it in. I'm in personal contact with a few of the east pilots and when I tell them what's on the table, it has consistently peaked their interest.

USAPA will do nothing to overturn Nicolau - period. You have to accept that. If the decert is for emotional reasons, fine. But if you're doing it to get rid of Nicolau, you're wasting your time.

Get off overturning Nicolau because your MEC has. The lawsuit is dead and that's been admitted to by even USAPA's lawyers and your almighty USA320Pilot.

And there will be NO negotiating anything. That time has come and gone. And it would set a horrible precedent if we were to go back and make any changes.

So, to some it up for some of you pinheads:

Nicolau will NOT be overturned nor wil it ever be amended. And implementation is around the corner.

Look man... We all know each other's position on this issue. Let's try to move past this for a minute and try to get to know some of these guys. I don't know many but the ones I do know have proven to be civil even though we disagree. Sometimes we seriously disagree. However one east pilot told me personally that no circumstances ever gave him a reason to disrespect a fellow pilot/employee. That carries a lot of weight with me. Let's agree to disagree and move on. Not one ounce of bickering on this board is going to change the outcome of this mess...

Junebug I know you and I have alot of respect for you. You have served the AWA pilot well, and we appreciate that. If your poking just to poke well then that's fine but I wanted to start a thread to see if we could see past this issue. One of your arguments is that the east MEC is dishonest with their constituents (and I personally agree). Name calling and bashing is no way to build trust with the average east pilot. I say let's create some neutral ground to stand on and build some mutual respect for each other before we spill our opinions and emotions all over this board...

By the way I too am guilty of being less than friendly with the east pilots on this board while giving my opinion on the issue of seniority integration. That only instigated more argument. I want to see if we can have a dialog that is respectful of each other...

Tiger

 

[Junebug172]

Look man... We all know each other's position on this issue. Let's try to move past this for a minute and try to get to know some of these guys. I don't know many but the ones I do know have proven to be civil even though we disagree. Sometimes we seriously disagree. However one east pilot told me personally that no circumstances ever gave him a reason to disrespect a fellow pilot/employee. That carries a lot of weight with me. Let's agree to disagree and move on. Not one ounce of bickering on this board is going to change the outcome of this mess...

Junebug I know you and I have alot of respect for you. You have served the AWA pilot well, and we appreciate that. If your poking just to poke well then that's fine but I wanted to start a thread to see if we could see past this issue. One of your arguments is that the east MEC is dishonest with their constituents (and I personally agree). Name calling and bashing is no way to build trust with the average east pilot. I say let's create some neutral ground to stand on and build some mutual respect for each other before we spill our opinions and emotions all over this board...

By the way I too am guilty of being less than friendly with the east pilots on this board while giving my opinion on the issue of seniority integration. That only instigated more argument. I want to see if we can have a dialog that is respectful of each other...

Tiger

Didn't mean to hijack your thread, but I had to respond to this idiocy:

"The West needs to come to that realization more than the East needs to stop threatening Armaggedon. In a way, the West MEC is now dragging this process out by claiming the higher than thou road and refusing to even consider any meaningful compromise. They think the award will prevail."

 

[Richard]

MOD. NOTE:

This has already denigrated into flaming and sniping..

I have reconsidered and will let this go for a while, but the next personal attack gets 2 weeks off without further warning.


Also please note the one thread per union per week limit.......

 

[AAA73Pilot]

MOD. NOTE:

This has already denigrated into flaming and sniping..

I have reconsidered and will let this go for a while, but the next personal attack gets 2 weeks off without further warning.
Also please note the one thread per union per week limit.......

Thanks Richard.

Actually I hope this is not even a union thread. Will have to remove my signature.

If guys want to battle take it elsewhere.

We have to find common ground just to start a dialogue. The few West guys I have met and talked to outside the current problems have all been great guys. We share common problems outside of aviation too. So hopefully this is a beginning.

 

[wopr21]

MOD NOTE: AGAIN Please refrain from quoting entire lengthy posts especially when you reply to the post directly above your reply.
Until your guys get it through your thick heads that the Nicolau Award will NEVER be overturned/amended, all that olive branch will be used for is tickling the underside of my family jewels.

It will be implemented - its inevitable because Parker does not and will not tolerate separate operations. One way or the other, your pilot group will be presented with a TA and will vote it in. I'm in personal contact with a few of the east pilots and when I tell them what's on the table, it has consistently peaked their interest.

USAPA will do nothing to overturn Nicolau - period. You have to accept that. If the decert is for emotional reasons, fine. But if you're doing it to get rid of Nicolau, you're wasting your time.

Get off overturning Nicolau because your MEC has. The lawsuit is dead and that's been admitted to by even USAPA's lawyers and your almighty USA320Pilot.

And there will be NO negotiating anything. That time has come and gone. And it would set a horrible precedent if we were to go back and make any changes.

So, to some it up for some of you pinheads:

Nicolau will NOT be overturned nor wil it ever be amended. And implementation is around the corner.

I thought this thread was supposed to be nice...

wopr21

 

[Junebug172]

That was nice.

 

[CapnCockroach]

Great new "entertainment" thread.

Hey Garcon!!! More popcorn and beer!!

 

[l8rd8r]

Got to respond to this one...Had an AWA pilot pos space from PHL-PHX. He gave up his seat to accomodate a PAX being split from her freind and left at the gate. This guy road in the cockpit with an East crew for 5 hours. They put the issue behind them for the PAX. What a great guy and hats off to the crew for making him comfortable.

 

[SkyRat]

Got to respond to this one...Had an AWA pilot pos space from PHL-PHX. He gave up his seat to accomodate a PAX being split from her freind and left at the gate. This guy road in the cockpit with an East crew for 5 hours. They put the issue behind them for the PAX. What a great guy and hats off to the crew for making him comfortable.

Twice in the past 2 months, while on EAST metal, I have given my seat in the back for a non-rev w/ lower priority. After spending 5 hours in the cockpit, once w/ a second EAST jumpseater, all I have to say is that it was a positive experience.

They were professional, cordial and accomodating 100%, even after the NIC award subject came up. I, as a West junior captain talking to a 22 year FO could have created a very NASTY enviroment. But it never got to that point, we all communicated our thoughts and ideas while being respectfull and professional to each other.

Like I said before, we are ALL in this together, as ONE (hopefully soon) pilot group. Lets get a REAL contract while on the upturn, before the next cycle. With over 5k pilots united on the same issues, we CAN (and WILL) get managements attention.

GL