AFA COUNCIL 70 PHL UNETHICAL BEHAVIOR

[pitguy]

Teddy Xidas has always delivered exceptional integrity to her members. No one can honestly challenge that. She has made a tremendous sacrifice of herself for the AFA. We would not have the problems we do today with unions and managers it they were more like Teddy.

~God bless Teddy!

 

[Career Reserve]

Teddy Xidas has always delivered exceptional integrity to her members. No one can honestly challenge that. She has made a tremendous sacrifice of herself for the AFA. We would not have the problems we do today with unions and managers it they were more like Teddy.

~God bless Teddy!

Back to the real issue of this thread.
Our MEC & PHL LEC Presidents have stated not only is it legally ok to take ETB trips but there is nothing wrong with it (neither morally nor ethically). Tell that to the reserve that sits in a commuter pad or hotel room for 5 days waiting to get called, wishing for an OPR trip so as to get perdiem money.
Tell that to the lineholder who's away from home 15-18 days a month just to make 75-85 hours.
That is the real issue ladies & gentlemen. If it's ok with you then stay silent. If this is not the representation you expected let the POWERS that BE know.

By God give us one good person who's like Teddy (was) at representing the flight attendants. We'd be so much further ahead!!!

 

[aredeeyou22]

Have to say maybe we all should put our names in for office. Let's recall and have a re-election. Sure alot of people would like to have the chance to make 150 hours to 180 hours a month international pay. Or be the reserve chair and make 135 hours a month. When the rest of us are not able to fly that many hours as a reserve. We all know what the pay scale is for all.

Lovethesun,

Sigh..You don't get it....... You could not even begin to handle the pressure of the union office. You are better off complaining about it. It suits you better.

😛

 

[IMisstheAladdinTrays]

Back to the real issue of this thread.
Our MEC & PHL LEC Presidents have stated not only is it legally ok to take ETB trips but there is nothing wrong with it (neither morally nor ethically). Tell that to the reserve that sits in a commuter pad or hotel room for 5 days waiting to get called, wishing for an OPR trip so as to get perdiem money.
Tell that to the lineholder who's away from home 15-18 days a month just to make 75-85 hours.
That is the real issue ladies & gentlemen. If it's ok with you then stay silent. If this is not the representation you expected let the POWERS that BE know.

yeah the way I figure it...they get about 5 hours of pay credit a day. I would say that's for an 8 hour work day...at least I hope it is! We get about 3 and a half hours a day as a Reserve...to be on-call 24 hours a day!!! And then they work ETB on their "Days Off". Days Off which they don't even have to bid for, like the rest of us. How NICE for THEM.

 

[PITbull]

What I have seen in the union is that often times, these reps have been in positions too long, and get complacent,and take the priviledge of an elected position for granted. They develop this delusion that someone owes them something, and the flexibility in the position they take full advantage of.

Often I've witnessed these folks working more towards "self-interest", rather than f/a interest. political corupption becomes common place and you can't pull them out of office without their wrath and threats.Even on the AFA International level.

When I see this type of behavior from union reps, it's time for them to go, and real consistant, agreesive action is necessary to get rid of them. Just as we did when we wiped out both the Local 40, Local 70 and then the MEC Officers in 2001, if you can recall. Even the members of CLT got rid of their LECP in 2004. Now they have Ann C. who, IMO, is the greatest CLT rep in CLT's history.

 

[aredeeyou22]

yeah the way I figure it...they get about 5 hours of pay credit a day. I would say that's for an 8 hour work day...at least I hope it is! We get about 3 and a half hours a day as a Reserve...to be on-call 24 hours a day!!! And then they work ETB on their "Days Off". Days Off which they don't even have to bid for, like the rest of us. How NICE for THEM.

So run for office next time, and quit complaining! I would bet that the days they are working in the office, they are not sitting in a comfy leather swivel chair filing their nails, enjoying a piping hot cup of coffee and a scone. Look around you! F/A's are being terminated every day! The F/A contract is being violated! The reserve system is an atrocity! We are about to merge two contracts where management wants to take the WORST of both!!!! These people are actually doing their best to protect us! Maybe they do not answer their calls sometimes because they are in a Supervisor's office at the airport? Hmm.....

I say again, WHO CARES if they fly ETB trips on their "hand picked" weekend days off? If they can do their office work during the week (when mgmt is available), and fly ETB trips and get paid 130 hours, I say more power to 'em! I think people underestimate the workload that these people face daily. "How NICE for THEM?" Hardly....

Oh, by the way, the Union leaders of AFA70 would not know me if they stared right at me, just speaking from past experiences....

Thank you and good day.

 

[IMisstheAladdinTrays]

So run for office next time, and quit complaining! I would bet that the days they are working in the office, they are not sitting in a comfy leather swivel chair filing their nails, enjoying a piping hot cup of coffee and a scone. Look around you! F/A's are being terminated every day! The F/A contract is being violated! The reserve system is an atrocity! We are about to merge two contracts where management wants to take the WORST of both!!!! These people are actually doing their best to protect us! Maybe they do not answer their calls sometimes because they are in a Supervisor's office at the airport? Hmm.....

I say again, WHO CARES if they fly ETB trips on their "hand picked" weekend days off? If they can do their office work during the week (when mgmt is available), and fly ETB trips and get paid 130 hours, I say more power to 'em! I think people underestimate the workload that these people face daily. "How NICE for THEM?" Hardly....

Oh, by the way, the Union leaders of AFA70 would not know me if they stared right at me, just speaking from past experiences....

Thank you and good day.

From what I understand the biggest offender in that office didn't even run for his postion! Also sitting in my crashpad with 17 other flight attendants while on call 24 hours a day is no joy!!! Their are many things we Reserves can't do while sitting on call! Ohh and we don't have a swivel chair either!!! According to my figures they all put in about 13 days a month in the office. That's hardly full time. And I DO care about "hand picked" days off. That leads me to believe there is some backdoor trip trading going on. Not the" first come, first served" the ETB is supposed to be. Which the union claims to be a champion of. I think you over estimate the daily workload these people face!

 

[Lovethesun]

Lovethesun,

Sigh..You don't get it....... You could not even begin to handle the pressure of the union office. You are better off complaining about it. It suits you better.

😛

Aredeeyou22 I suggest you speak for yourself maybe you are unable to handle the pressure, but guess you do not know about others abilities to do so. There is no complaining going on here just stating the facts at hand. The union complains about management cashing in their stock options which is legal to do, but yet they are supposedly working in the office and flying ETB trips on the weekends(that are international trips)that they too are saying is legal for them to do. So what we have here is both are doing the same thing. Seems like you would care that you were not able to be paid for the time that they are claiming. Also do you know if any other committee members are getting the pay that the reserve chair in PHL (who is a reserve so he would not be able to fly the time that he is being paid by the union he would only be getting 73 guarantee then if possible etb time) is being paid 135 hours and up?

 

[IMisstheAladdinTrays]

Also do you know if any other committee members are getting the pay that the reserve chair in PHL (who is a reserve so he would not be able to fly the time that he is being paid by the union he would only be getting 73 guarantee then if possible etb time) is being paid 135 hours and up?

Yeah...if I flew 30 hours a month ETB plus my 73 hours that would only equal 103...not 135. That IS NOT RIGHT!!!

 

[Lovethesun]

So run for office next time, and quit complaining! I would bet that the days they are working in the office, they are not sitting in a comfy leather swivel chair filing their nails, enjoying a piping hot cup of coffee and a scone. Look around you! F/A's are being terminated every day! The F/A contract is being violated! The reserve system is an atrocity! We are about to merge two contracts where management wants to take the WORST of both!!!! These people are actually doing their best to protect us! Maybe they do not answer their calls sometimes because they are in a Supervisor's office at the airport? Hmm.....


Seems to me with everything going on that the union officers should be doing more work in the union office than picking up ETB trips. They are getting full month of pay then they should be doing more in the office not just 9 to 5. They need to stop playing like they are management and represent the flight attendant group. They tend to forget that they are not management and they are being paid by flight attendants union dues. The same flight attendants who are not able to be paid the time that the union officers are being paid. Also are the officers having to pick up trash every leg they do for 14 hour days. They need to put in more time in a day than 9 to 5.

 

[aredeeyou22]

Aredeeyou22 I suggest you speak for yourself maybe you are unable to handle the pressure, but guess you do not know about others abilities to do so. There is no complaining going on here just stating the facts at hand. The union complains about management cashing in their stock options which is legal to do, but yet they are supposedly working in the office and flying ETB trips on the weekends(that are international trips)that they too are saying is legal for them to do. So what we have here is both are doing the same thing. Seems like you would care that you were not able to be paid for the time that they are claiming. Also do you know if any other committee members are getting the pay that the reserve chair in PHL (who is a reserve so he would not be able to fly the time that he is being paid by the union he would only be getting 73 guarantee then if possible etb time) is being paid 135 hours and up?

Pressure? I am not under any pressure. And I simply fail to understand why you are so upset that these Union officers are working "international" ETB trips on the weekends. Why is that illegal? They clicked on it before you did! How are you relating ETB time, which is above and beyond guarantee for all reserves, to Management and their stock options? And why would I be upset about the time they are claiming? They earn every bit of it. I have no claim to that "time", I am not in the Union working tirelessly to protect our F/A's!!

You also say, lovethesun, that the Reserve Chair is a reserve. That's a good thing, right? I would think so! I have called him a few times, and he knows that contract like the back of his hand.

As far as how much the other officers are being paid, I would assume it is 105 as well? Would have to check on that.

ImissAladdinTrays, why should you be paid for 105 hours +ETB time for "sitting in your crashpad with 17 other flight attendants on call 24 hours a day?" You are not working at the AFA office 5 days a week, you are doing what you are being compensated to do : SIT RESERVE! I know it sucks, but that is the Reserve system we are currently operating with! Can you show us these "figures" you have showing the officers working 13 days a month?

And, I hate to break it to you, but there is a way that you can trade a trip to a specific person on the ETB. Call it "backdoor" trip trading if you choose, but EVERYONE is doing it, not just Union people. Who knows if they are even doing that? There are a lot of Int'l trips on the ETB on weekends.

Go down to the office someday and observe these people sometime. I think you just might be surprised.

 

[IMisstheAladdinTrays]

ImissAladdinTrays, why should you be paid for 105 hours +ETB time for "sitting in your crashpad with 17 other flight attendants on call 24 hours a day?" You are not working at the AFA office 5 days a week, you are doing what you are being compensated to do : SIT RESERVE! I know it sucks, but that is the Reserve system we are currently operating with! Can you show us these "figures" you have showing the officers working 13 days a month?

And, I hate to break it to you, but there is a way that you can trade a trip to a specific person on the ETB. Call it "backdoor" trip trading if you choose, but EVERYONE is doing it, not just Union people. Who knows if they are even doing that? There are a lot of Int'l trips on the ETB on weekends.

Go down to the office someday and observe these people sometime. I think you just might be surprised.

I just can't believe you would say this Cr%^ on here. You are clearly not a Reserve. Also I understand that "back door" trading is done. The difference is that I must try and bid days off if I have a Block Holder willing to give me trips...if I can't hold those days off then they can't "give" me their trips...now just suppose I GOT to PICK MY DAYS OFF, a whole different story now. Surly even you see how that plays out! If me sitting reserve is what I'm compensated to do, then The Union Officer dealing with all they deal with, day in and day out, is what they are compensated to do! Neither of us should get special privilages for doing our jobs!

 

[Lovethesun]

Pressure? I am not under any pressure. And I simply fail to understand why you are so upset that these Union officers are working "international" ETB trips on the weekends. Why is that illegal? They clicked on it before you did! How are you relating ETB time, which is above and beyond guarantee for all reserves, to Management and their stock options? And why would I be upset about the time they are claiming? They earn every bit of it. I have no claim to that "time", I am not in the Union working tirelessly to protect our F/A's!!

You also say, lovethesun, that the Reserve Chair is a reserve. That's a good thing, right? I would think so! I have called him a few times, and he knows that contract like the back of his hand.

As far as how much the other officers are being paid, I would assume it is 105 as well? Would have to check on that.

ImissAladdinTrays, why should you be paid for 105 hours +ETB time for "sitting in your crashpad with 17 other flight attendants on call 24 hours a day?" You are not working at the AFA office 5 days a week, you are doing what you are being compensated to do : SIT RESERVE! I know it sucks, but that is the Reserve system we are currently operating with! Can you show us these "figures" you have showing the officers working 13 days a month?

And, I hate to break it to you, but there is a way that you can trade a trip to a specific person on the ETB. Call it "backdoor" trip trading if you choose, but EVERYONE is doing it, not just Union people. Who knows if they are even doing that? There are a lot of Int'l trips on the ETB on weekends.

Go down to the office someday and observe these people sometime. I think you just might be surprised.

Well, First it is very easy to compare the two. Management was awarded the stocks and it is their right to cash them in. And by what you are saying along with the union officers it is their right to get 105 hours and be able to fly etb trips.
I am amazed that you have not looked into the situation further, unless you are one of the ones benefiting from getting union pay and etb pay. The reserve chair for the month of Apr received 135 pay for the month of May 131 pay and so far as of this date 6542 pay figure again 135 hours of pay. The reserve chair held an ETB international trip on the 14 that was a three day ETB trip. So is that a legal trip to do if he is supposedly working in the office 5 days a week. Do not believe so. Also the reserve chair is not an elected office position. Where is the other elected paid officer the Sec.tres. they are the one that should be receiving the pay of our dues. Not one who is supposedly a volunteer position. He definitely is not a volunteer....definitely one who is being compensated for his time.

 

[aredeeyou22]

I just can't believe you would say this Cr%^ on here. You are clearly not a Reserve. Also I understand that "back door" trading is done. The difference is that I must try and bid days off if I have a Block Holder willing to give me trips...if I can't hold those days off then they can't "give" me their trips...now just suppose I GOT to PICK MY DAYS OFF, a whole different story now. Surly even you see how that plays out! If me sitting reserve is what I'm compensated to do, then The Union Officer dealing with all they deal with, day in and day out, is what they are compensated to do! Neither of us should get special privilages for doing our jobs!

Yup! I am a reserve! Have been my whole career! I also have nothing to do with the union. Work in the union office, and it would seem to me that weekends are a likely time to have days off, since USAirways management personnel are, for the most part, not available. You see, a disproportionate number of the union officers days are being spent in supervisors offices attending disciplinary/ termination hearings. ALOT of them. It's not pretty, and it's not pretty work. A lot of this can be chalked up to the horrid reserve system and current working contract, and I have the utmost respect for the officers and what they do, as well as how they handle themselves. I feel your beef may be more with the contract that was ratified, and not with the union. Believe me, I have the same "beef", especially as a reserve.

From what I gather, an investigation is ongoing into the union leaders activities, right? If the AFA finds wrongdoing, I am sure it will be just, and action will (and should!) be taken swiftly. Let's wait and see the outcome, shall we?

By the way, I called the AFA70 office to leave a message last week at 8pm, and, to my surprise, someone ANSWERED. Does not sound like it is always 9 to 5 to me.

Thank you. 🙂

 

[IMisstheAladdinTrays]

Well, First it is very easy to compare the two. Management was awarded the stocks and it is their right to cash them in. And by what you are saying along with the union officers it is their right to get 105 hours and be able to fly etb trips.
I am amazed that you have not looked into the situation further, unless you are one of the ones benefiting from getting union pay and etb pay. The reserve chair for the month of Apr received 135 pay for the month of May 131 pay and so far as of this date 6542 pay figure again 135 hours of pay. The reserve chair held an ETB international trip on the 14 that was a three day ETB trip. So is that a legal trip to do if he is supposedly working in the office 5 days a week. Do not believe so. Also the reserve chair is not an elected office position. Where is the other elected paid officer the Sec.tres. they are the one that should be receiving the pay of our dues. Not one who is supposedly a volunteer position. He definitely is not a volunteer....definitely one who is being compensated for his time.

I for one saw all I need to see for the month of June in CatCrew. If you have access check out the PHL reserve chairs activity for the month. You all know his name.