AFA COUNCIL 70 PHL UNETHICAL BEHAVIOR

[PITbull]

Aredeeyou22 I suggest you speak for yourself maybe you are unable to handle the pressure, but guess you do not know about others abilities to do so. There is no complaining going on here just stating the facts at hand. The union complains about management cashing in their stock options which is legal to do, but yet they are supposedly working in the office and flying ETB trips on the weekends(that are international trips)that they too are saying is legal for them to do. So what we have here is both are doing the same thing. Seems like you would care that you were not able to be paid for the time that they are claiming. Also do you know if any other committee members are getting the pay that the reserve chair in PHL (who is a reserve so he would not be able to fly the time that he is being paid by the union he would only be getting 73 guarantee then if possible etb time) is being paid 135 hours and up?

To receive 105 from the company flight pay loss kitty or to use any union dues $$, they must be in the office working 21 days. Otherwise, they need to go on the AIL. They also need to post their schedules for the members so that the members can call on THOSE WHO WERE ELECTED TO REPRESENT THEM. 105 DIVIDED BY 5 HOURS PER DAY = 21 DAYS.

 

[IMisstheAladdinTrays]

Yup! I am a reserve! Have been my whole career! I also have nothing to do with the union. Work in the union office, and it would seem to me that weekends are a likely time to have days off, since USAirways management personnel are, for the most part, not available. You see, a disproportionate number of the union officers days are being spent in supervisors offices attending disciplinary/ termination hearings. ALOT of them. It's not pretty, and it's not pretty work. A lot of this can be chalked up to the horrid reserve system and current working contract, and I have the utmost respect for the officers and what they do, as well as how they handle themselves. I feel your beef may be more with the contract that was ratified, and not with the union. Believe me, I have the same "beef", especially as a reserve.

From what I gather, an investigation is ongoing into the union leaders activities, right? If the AFA finds wrongdoing, I am sure it will be just, and action will (and should!) be taken swiftly. Let's wait and see the outcome, shall we?

By the way, I called the AFA70 office to leave a message last week at 8pm, and, to my surprise, someone ANSWERED. Does not sound like it is always 9 to 5 to me.

Thank you. 🙂

Well If you look in CatCrew you will see not all that persons trips were on the weekends...not to mention they are three day trips...so at least on of the days fell during the week! I for one hope that the AFA will say ,fair is fai,r and put a stop to it! By it, I mean any advantages working in that office may have in terms of compensation. As compared to other FA's sitting reserve on the line.

 

[PITbull]

I for one saw all I need to see for the month of June in CatCrew. If you have access check out the PHL reserve chairs activity for the month. You all know his name.

C'mon people, you need to focus on the elected officers work time and the funds they receive. They are recieving FULL month's flight pay loss, and going on ETB at THEIR convenience and watching the board.

Keep in mind, its not just about reserve who are in the union office who are apponted and GIVEN the fpl, once again FORM YOUR LECTED LECP!!!!

If you believe that there is abuse from the Reserve Chair, that can only be approved the the LEC OFFICERS WHO ARE THE REAL CULPRITS OF THE ABUSE.

 

[IMisstheAladdinTrays]

To receive 105 from the company flight pay loss kitty or to use any union dues $$, they must be in the office working 21 days. Otherwise, they need to go on the AIL. They also need to post their schedules for the members so that the members can call on THOSE WHO WERE ELECTED TO REPRESENT THEM. 105 DIVIDED BY 5 HOURS PER DAY = 21 DAYS.

Again I would suggest that anyone defending the Union Officers actions count the days in CatCrew...I have... and it AIN'T 21!!!

 

[PITbull]

Well If you look in CatCrew you will see not all that persons trips were on the weekends...not to mention they are three day trips...so at least on of the days fell during the week! I for one hope that the AFA will say ,fair is fai,r and put a stop to it! By it, I mean any advantages working in that office may have in terms of compensation. As compared to other FA's sitting reserve on the line.

This issue is not an AFA International issue, its a USAirways AFA MEC issue. Alert other LECPs at other bases. Going to the MEC President will fall on deaf ears, as he too is busy doing the same thing collecting the same company flight pay loss International. Notify the MEC Vice President who does not do this, or BOS LECP, LGA LECP, CLT LECP, PIT LECP...let them know to pressure these officers to post their schedules.

ALL THE UNION OFFICERS FROM ALL BASES NEED TO POST THEIR SCHEDULES. PERIOD!!

 

[IMisstheAladdinTrays]

ALL THE UNION OFFICERS FROM ALL BASES NEED TO POST THEIR SCHEDULES. PERIOD!!

That is the least we due paying memebers deserve!!!

 

[PITbull]

Again I would suggest that anyone defending the Union Officers actions count the days in CatCrew...I have... and it AIN'T 21!!!

Then REEL them in. Notify the AFA International that you want an investigation on their submitted MEAL EXPENSE allowance the days that they claim. Direct the AFA International Sec./Treas to do an investigation from misappropration (double dipping) allegation. If these folks are claiming meal expense and flying that day or evening on ETB that's double dipping and the AFA International can set a special meeting for a "recall" if this is proven to be true and if the members request it.

Make them accountable to the membership, and demand that they reveal last 12 months. They will resist, but if they care about their credibility than they should give FULL DISCLOSURE... including the MECP and all reps.

 

[IMisstheAladdinTrays]

Then REEL them in. Notify the AFA International that you want an investigation on their submitted MEAL EXPENSE allowance the days that they claim. Direct the AFA International Sec./Treas to do an investigation from misappropration (double dipping) allegation. If these folks are claiming meal expense and flying that day or evening on ETB that's double dipping and the AFA International can set a special meeting for a "recall" if this is proven to be true and if the members request it.

Make the accountable to the membership, and demand that they reveal last 12 months. They will resist, but if they care about their credibility than they should give FULL DISCLOSURE... including the MECP and all reps.

I know these people read this board a lot! So i challenge them to make those last 12 months available...on their own!

 

[aredeeyou22]

To receive 105 from the company flight pay loss kitty or to use any union dues $$, they must be in the office working 21 days. Otherwise, they need to go on the AIL. They also need to post their schedules for the members so that the members can call on THOSE WHO WERE ELECTED TO REPRESENT THEM. 105 DIVIDED BY 5 HOURS PER DAY = 21 DAYS.

Hi Pitbull,

Where would I find the required availability hours posted that we are able to call our AFA local? Would it be on the website, or just in the crew lounges? I cannot find any of the hours posted for any of the bases on the website, let alone PHL. I do, however, see plenty of contact numbers and e-mail addresses. And the AFA MEC Hotline was last updated on March 18th.

Thank you.

 

[aredeeyou22]

Well If you look in CatCrew you will see not all that persons trips were on the weekends...not to mention they are three day trips...so at least on of the days fell during the week! I for one hope that the AFA will say ,fair is fai,r and put a stop to it! By it, I mean any advantages working in that office may have in terms of compensation. As compared to other FA's sitting reserve on the line.

Agree 100%. I think it is also important to remember that some of these officers are in the union office later on some days, etc.... So, if Pitbull tells us that they should be in the office 21 days a month to equal 105 hours of flight pay loss, what does that mean? 9am-5pm? 8am-8pm? Just 8 hours a day? 10 Hours a day for 4 days? Some weekends? No weekends? Can they fly ETB whenever, as long as they do their combination of 21 days?

I know the LECVP can be found on the AIL on many weekends, I have personally flown with her recently. Reserves obviously have no access to the AIL (for people reading this who do not know that....)

Thank you.

 

[PITbull]

Hi Pitbull,

Where would I find the required availability hours posted that we are able to call our AFA local? Would it be on the website, or just in the crew lounges? I cannot find any of the hours posted for any of the bases on the website, let alone PHL. I do, however, see plenty of contact numbers and e-mail addresses. And the AFA MEC Hotline was last updated on March 18th.

Thank you.

The AFA Local Officers nor the MEC Officers have been challenged on posting their schedules for the members. You won't find it anywhere because they come and go when, and as they please. There's no accountability. There are some however, that don't abuse this flexibility and work hard for their members, but from what I've seen, its not Local 70 PHL.

The members need/must require it. Either call them or asked to be recognized at your next Local Meeting and MEC meeting. The members must require it. E-mail them as well.

I walked the walk; I was in the office 5 days a week and was the only Local rep on call EVERY weekend for 5years. Everyone knew that, even management knew where to find me every single day.

21 days = 105 hours with a daily rate of 5 hours per day. That's what union reps are paid for company business, local chairs for work they do etc... as long as they are putting in 21 days, posting their schedules to the members to validate that these are the days that they are not flying; but actually working union work only is fair and equitable. The other days, they can stand on their heads if they want. If they are on vacation, then THAT SHOULD NOT BE ON TOP OF 105. IF THEY ARE RECEIVING THEIR VACATION ON TOP OF THESE DAYS, THEN THAT'S VACATION FLY BACK AND NO OTHER F/A CAN RECEIVE THAT UNLESS THE COMPANY OFFERS VACATION FLY BACK IN THAT MONTH.

These reps can attempt to spin it anyway they want, but unless they produce the schedules, post them, and provide 21 days soley for the purpose of union work, take them out of office and keep them out!

This is the sole reason why Perry H. was not voted back in office in 2004. He didn't show up at the office practically NEVER. Home office my azze.

If the LEC VP is flying on AIL, have her produce thse trips because her credibility is at stake. But no matter, there is no such thing as the line f/a or reserve f/as coming in with 150-170 hours a month.

No excuses.

 

[IMisstheAladdinTrays]

The AFA Local Officers nor the MEC Officers have been challenged on posting their schedules to the members. You won't find it anywhere because they come and go when, and as they please. There's no accountability.

The members need/must require it. Either call them or asked to be recognized at your next Local Meeting and MEC meeting. The members must require it. E-mail them as well.

I walked the walk; I was in the office 5 days a week and was the only Local rep on call EVERY weekend for 5years. Everyone knew that, even management knew where to find me every single day.

21 days = 105 hours with a daily rate of 5 hours per day. That's what union reps are paid for company business, local chairs for work they do etc... as long as they are putting in 21 days, posting their schedules to the members to validate that these are the days that they are not flying; but actually working union work only is fair and equitable. The other days, they can stand on their heads if they want. If they are on vacation, then THAT SHOULD NOT BE ON TOP OF 105. IF THEY ARE RECEIVING THEIR VACATION ON TOP OF THESE DAYS, THEN THAT'S VACATION FLY BACK AND NO OTHER F/A CAN RECEIVE THAT UNLESS THE COMPANY OFFERS VACATION FLY BACK IN THAT MONTH.

These reps can attempt to spin it anyway they want, but unless they produce the schedules, post them, and provide 21 days soley for the purpose of union work, take them out of office and keep them out!

This is the sole reason why Perry H. was not voted back in office in 2004. He didn't show up at the office practically NEVER. Home office my azze.

If the LEC VP is flying on AIL, have her produce thse trips because her credibility is at stake. But no matter, there is no such thing as the line f/a or reserve f/as coming in with 150-170 hours a month.

No excuses.

AMEN!!!

 

[aredeeyou22]

The AFA Local Officers nor the MEC Officers have been challenged on posting their schedules to the members. You won't find it anywhere because they come and go when, and as they please. There's no accountability.

The members need/must require it. Either call them or asked to be recognized at your next Local Meeting and MEC meeting. The members must require it. E-mail them as well.

I walked the walk; I was in the office 5 days a week and was the only Local rep on call EVERY weekend for 5years. Everyone knew that, even management knew where to find me every single day.

21 days = 105 hours with a daily rate of 5 hours per day. That's what union reps are paid for company business, local chairs for work they do etc... as long as they are putting in 21 days, posting their schedules to the members to validate that these are the days that they are not flying; but actually working union work only is fair and equitable. The other days, they can stand on their heads if they want. If they are on vacation, then THAT SHOULD NOT BE ON TOP OF 105. IF THEY ARE RECEIVING THEIR VACATION ON TOP OF THESE DAYS, THEN THAT'S VACATION FLY BACK AND NO OTHER F/A CAN RECEIVE THAT UNLESS THE COMPANY OFFERS VACATION FLY BACK IN THAT MONTH.

These reps can attempt to spin it anyway they want, but unless they produce the schedules, post them, and provide 21 days soley for the purpose of union work, take them out of office and keep them out!

This is the sole reason why Perry H. was not voted back in office in 2004. He didn't show up at the office practically NEVER. Home office my azze.

If the LEC VP is flying on AIL, have her produce thse trips because her credibility is at stake. But no matter, there is no such thing as the line f/a or reserve f/as coming in with 150-170 hours a month.

No excuses.

So you are saying that the accountability/ availability factor is a problem in EVERY crew base/ council, because none of them post their hours of availability. Not just PHL. Got it.

You are also saying that PHL LECVP, LECP, etc. are collecting 170 hour paychecks? Wowsers. Is this information made available to us? Is it available to anyone? This is every month? Is that 65 hours of ETB plus their 105 pay? I'd appreciate any concrete facts you can provide, or lead me to.

Thank you.

 

[PITbull]

Aredeeyou,

Do your own homework. That information is NOT made available to the members unless they request it, and still, these officers may not furnish it. I suspect they won't.



I know that the Local officers of PHL 70 DO go on ETB and bring in 150-170 month, and the MECPrsident! These are the folks that DO have offices that are paid by union dues. Request they furnish you their flying hours plus what they are paid from the union and company. They will retort by telling you "they are not required to furnish you what they fly on days off, that's their flying time on there so called days off". The way I see, if they don't furnish you what their schedules days are that they are soley working for the union the entire day,no flying those days, 21 days, then they should want to show you their ETB flying for the month. From there you can deduce. They should at the very least furnish to you their schedules of 21 days (and I don't mean being on call for 3 hours in the day, I mean no flying the days they are claiming union or company flight pay loss. A regualr f/a can't double-up unless it is a legal double-up, and they need to prove that their's is legal not scheudling themselves for over 8 hours of flight time (including that union 5 hours). So, in essence, they can't take an International flight out in the evening that they claim to have worked in the office because the sceduled flight hours EXCEED 8...(5 hours from flight pay loss for union work, and approx 6 and up hours to fly across the pond) makes them ILLEGAL.

The other issue is meal expense. THEY CANNOT claim meals from AFA the day they are doing union work, and then fly for the company and collect perdium from the company for the that same day of the trip, even if it went out in the evening hours. That's double dipping.

THAT'S ILLEGAL WITH AFA CONTSTUTION, AND SHOULD BE REPORTED TO THE AFA International Secretary if that even is alleged to be occuring.

 

[aredeeyou22]

Aredeeyou,

Do your own homework. That information is NOT made available to the members unless they request it, and still, these officers may not furnish it. I suspect they won't.
I know that the Local officers of PHL 70 DO go on ETB and bring in 150-170 month, and the MECPrsident! These are the folks that DO have offices that are paid by union dues. Request they furnish you their flying hours plus what they are paid from the union and company. They will retort by telling you that are not required to furnish you what they fly on days off, that's their flying time on there so called days off. The way I see, if they don't furnish you what their schedules days are that they are soley working for the union the entire day,no flying those days, 21 days, then they don't have to show you their ETB. But they should furnish to you their schedules of 21 days (and I don't mean being on call for 3 hours in the day, I mean no flying the days they are claiming union or company flight pay loss. A regualr f/a can't fouble up unless it is a legal double up, and they need to prove that their's is legal not scheudling themselves for over 8 hours of flight time (including that union 5 hours). So, in essence, they can't take an International flight out in the evening that they claim to have worked in the office because the sceduled flight hours EXCEED 8...(5 hours from flight pay loss for union work, and approx 6 and up hours to fly across the pond) makes them ILLEGAL.

The other issue is meal expense. THEY CANNOT claim meals from AFA the day they are doing union work, and the fly for the company and collect perdium from the company for the that day of the trip.

THAT'S ILLEGAL WITH AFA CONTSTUTION, AND SHOULD BE REPORTED TO THE AFA International Secretary if that even is alleged to be occuring.

I thought, by reading this thread, that this was already reported to AFA National or whomever? If it is as serious as you all claim, I am surprised it has gone on for this long! I would surmise that the pre-crumbling of AFA70 will be happening any minute now, if it has not started behind-the-scenes already!

Rats. I thought for sure you would have liked to do my homework for me. Oh well, guess I am just another scheming F/A, similar to those in our local office... 😛