Afa Walk's Out On Us Airways Management

[FlyUs]

Exactly! I sure wish we had merged with ATA instead and just let US Airways liquidate. Obviously no support from anyone! Doug sold us out!

Believe me, we wouldn't have liquidated. USAirways would have become United.

 

[multitasker]

Speaking of United. It has been published in various media publications that United will be hiring 2000 flight attendants.

Now back to your current topic.

MAKE IT A GREAT DAY.

 

[azfyer]

Than you and azflyer can quit or go to ATA.

Funny how you have no support when you aren't getting your way. Well, boo hoo.

Wanna know why some of us are hostile these days or "hateful"?

Listen to your whining...constant ear piercing whining. SOME of you guys have been out in the desert sun too long.

Tell me WHAT has gone in favor of AWA employees so far in this merger?????

NOTHING!

Why do you feel that EVERYTHING should go in your favor??? The way you all think it should. Don't talk to me about whining...queen! :huh:

 

[UWCactus]

Exactly! I sure wish we had merged with ATA instead and just let US Airways liquidate. Obviously no support from anyone! Doug sold us out!

I see...you want to merge with ATA instead, so they would be the ones getting screwed, not US West..since US West is more senior than ATA, thats pretty selfish.

 

[PITbull]

Tell me WHAT has gone in favor of AWA employees so far in this merger?????

NOTHING!

Why do you feel that EVERYTHING should go in your favor??? The way you all think it should. Don't talk to me about whining...queen! :huh:

Help me if I am perceiving your condition incorrectly: Let's see...

1.Your angry because Fort PHX cannot be beracaded for a decade where folks cannot go in or out.

2. Your angry because the Involuntary furloughees who will be "recalled" to Fort PHX will get training pay more than you did when you were in training way back when.

3. Your angry because you believe the invols who are stapled to the bottom of your list should receive "new hire" pay instead of the 2-5 yr. Involuntary furloughees be given their longevity for pay and vacation purposes under Am. West contract, even though they are stapled to the bottom of your seniority list, however making the same as your fa/s in the same year.Hmmm that bothers you?

4. Your angry because the AFA policy guides merger as DOH.

5. Your angry at the possibility that .1% of the 222 fa/s that live on the West Coast may just want to be based in Fort PHX in about 3-4 years,give or take 1 or 2, depending on how many would have retired by then.

Did I cover it? Gee, life is just dealing you a really bad hand.

And USAirways-East are just getting their way all the time....shucks! B) Because heck its our fault that the company went into BK twice and they slashed our wages 4 times, benefits, and dumped pensions....yea, we sure have been spoiled rotten here on the East.

 

[IpourNotCan]

Pitbull,

No, you didn't cover it.


Everything else is in US Airways favor.

No Pay Parity For US West and no Fence, do you think this is fair? Doug Parker and the rest of the new US Airways' management say the merger only works if the two companies are fully integrated. Integration will only work if management AND labor are happy. This is not going to be a happy labor group, if the US West F/As are being mocked, laughed at and treated like sh*t by their fellow flight attendants from the east. The beatings won't stop until morale improves", this mentality must stop.

 

[PITbull]

Ipour,

You will get your beracade for Fort PHX, but not for the decade your leadership is proposing. You have many of your f/as that want to fly to Europe for the pay premiums, and you can't do that from PHX. Your frustration should be directed at your CEO; not your fellow collegue.

The Company has $2.5 Billion in cash and the BOD is looking for ways to spend it. They just awarded 4 execs huge salary incrases and stock awards, and that is just who is obligated to report to the SEC.

THe issues you cite can be fixed by your CEO. Pay parity? Again, that's a CEO and company issue.

Your leadership should be directing picket signs all up and down PHX and LAS for the way your managment is treating you on the West.

Our two groups need to come together and picket all over the bases. Stock price is at $33. When it starts to move down, managment and BOD pay attention.

 

[IpourNotCan]

Pit,

I'm not talking a decade. I'm okay with a 4-5 year fence. It's the Pay parity and the company dragging our contract and some of the hostily that I am seeing here towards US West F/As. If they want to integrate our contract, they need to adjust the payscale of all F/As.

 

[PITbull]

I agree. No problem from me. But you should be demanding increases across the board. The pay is only less on the years from 1-10, then we start to match one another.

You on the West should be picketing to complete your section 6 netotiations. THe company won't move on wages in the transition discussions. The only way to capture improvements is through your sec. 6. Your leadership needs to educate you on the U-East contract. It sucks. You need to gain improvements outside of the transition even if you have to picket all over the place to demand a fair contract that you deserve.


Rule #1, never take to heart what CEO managment says or wants. I want a brand new Jaguar....people tell me its in the mail. LOL...

 

[proudf/a]

Pitbull,

No, you didn't cover it.
Everything else is in US Airways favor.

No Pay Parity For US West and no Fence, do you think this is fair? Doug Parker and the rest of the new US Airways' management say the merger only works if the two companies are fully integrated. Integration will only work if management AND labor are happy. This is not going to be a happy labor group, if the US West F/As are being mocked, laughed at and treated like sh*t by their fellow flight attendants from the east. The beatings won't stop until morale improves", this mentality must stop.

Believe it or not the Ueast group isnt laughing at you. It may seem like it to you, but we have been through mergers before, and we know you are making mountains out of mole hills. Yes, you had to try to fight to save your seniority, that is understandable. Considering Ueast nearly doubled the size of AWA we can see your cause for concern. What is important now is to fight as one group for this contract. Your sec 6 negs should have never been placed on the back burner for so long. Mgmt was hoping to hold it off long enough to get this merger finished and they did. Now the focus is on creating one contract. That doesnt mean it opens it up for reneogations, that means they are going to pick apart each contract and put it together to make the most cost effective contract. Unfortuneatly with the concessions the Ueast f/a's have made over the past several yrs, makes ours more cost effective then yours. So they will more then likely want more of our contract imposed. So instead of blaming the Ueast for your contract whoa's, maybe you should be pointing out to us what they are trying to do, and allow us to be one airline and help fight for what is going to be fair for everyone. Instead you are throwing stones, that doesnt make me want to get on board to back you.

 

[PITbull]

Actually, the U-West neg. committee needs to stop with the transition discussions and go into their Sec. 6 for a new contract on their end. They have been in discussions for a new contract for 20 months and the co. put it on hold.

Don't allow this. Demand completion of your new agreement. Once that ratifies, then we will get together to discuss integrating provisions.

Your leadership has to force management to do this. There is no BK umbrella, they have to deal. What will compell this are pickets every day every where.

The beatings will continue until management respecting labor improves.

 

[calibrator]

The beatings will continue until management respecting labor improves.

Jihad in Islam

Jihad in U

Brother.... 🙄

 

[767jetz]

Wow! This is understandably an active thread with lots of competing opinions. As a pilot for a different airline I don't have a dog in this fight. However labor integration among unions concerns everyone in this industry, so please allow me to interject.

Sounds like the US West folks have heartburn over a recalled f/a getting paid for training, and also possibly making more than their counterparts they are flying side by side with. I think that people should get over the need to look over each other's shoulders and see if someone has a better deal, as long as it doesn't come directly at another's expense.

To start with, recalled f/a's were new hires at one time and got the same raw deal of no (or almost no) pay during training. That was in the past for all of you. They are recalls, not new hires so should get paid as recurrent training. Why would anyone begrudge what another person gets, as long as you didn't get screwed in the process.

As for the pay issue, if a recall gets transfered in and goes to the bottom for bidding purposes and doesn't take away from your current quality of life or days off or hours worked, then why would you care what they make? You should all be spending your effort taking the best of your contracts, inculding pay scales, and negotiating that with the company.

Now for the flip side. US East f/a's need to understand that everyone is competing for a piece of the same pie that is only so large. Perhaps the West folks are concerned that every dollar the company spends on a recall, both training and pay wise, is a dollar they won't get to have parity with their East counterparts. Or perhaps it will affect a future raise because the company will have spent their target allotment on things that benefit East f/a's.

Therein lies the dilema. No one ever gets everything they want in these integrations. The solution usually lies somewhere in the middle ground.

Now, back to the debate...

 

[Atlantic]

767,
Like you said. You don't have a dog in this fight.
Let them hash this out.

 

[700UW]

This is a message board with people to post their thoughts on the topic at hand and debate also.

He can post if he likes and his post was on the money and very relevant.