Trav, people ARE scared. With the secondary line numbers out for December, a LOT of people are going back on reserve. Guess-timates is that part of 1989 is going back on the reservation. Thinking back to last January - reserve went back to around that seniority but there were 600 ish reserves for that particular month. Some got "sick" and others did one or two trips and later reflected how easy reserve is and couldn't understand why reserves thought is was such a big deal. Now, unless there is a buyout, these same people who end up back on reserve will do so til spring. THAT is a sobering thought. One month ain't bad, but 4 months? Reserve problems are not blockholder problems....that is until they are back on reserve. Another problem is that very few INV days will be given over Xmas with the usual line from the union that's all they could get and tried to get more. So no junior reserve will see the holidays, again. Looks like more coal from Santa kids!! :blink: