Airbus Considers Sacrificing A350
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With the financial backing of airbus, I would say more A330's. Really, what choice do we have....the A380?
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First of all Airbus has shown it can make a great deal of money when it is managed properly. Does anyone remeber when Boeing had its huge production problem. So many orders and they were losing money in building them due to poor production management.
Plenty of private investors would be lining up to put money into Airbus if the goverments were not squabling amongst themselves.
I personally do not see why Germany would be pissed to lose the 380 in exchange for all narrowbody production. It is a wash and besides it means they will have a leg up on the 320 follow on.
Plenty of private investors would be lining up to put money into Airbus if the goverments were not squabling amongst themselves.
I personally do not see why Germany would be pissed to lose the 380 in exchange for all narrowbody production. It is a wash and besides it means they will have a leg up on the 320 follow on.
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The 350 has to go ahead no matter what. A souped up 330 was tried before and it was a dud. This 350 is the product that people want more than the 380.
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Agreed, but better hop on board soon. I read that Emirates is really ticked at Airbus about the A380 and giving consideration to an order for the new 747-800, 777, and/or 787 in place of additional A380s and the A350. Their order would be a good size one. That is unless they're still ticked about the whole Ports deal thing and dickering with Airbus on prices.
New round of delays could spell trouble for Airbus superjumbo.
Airbus is poised to admit today that its beleaguered Airbus A380 program now will fall nearly two years behind schedule, Reuters reports. And that apparently has some of the superjumbo's top buyers rethinking their orders. Emirates, for example, was informed by Airbus of an additional 10-month delay for its A380 delivery dates. Emirates -- the top buyer of the A380 -- responded by saying that airline's order is now "up in the air," according to The Associated Press. Emirates President Tim Clark adds: "Our first aircraft will now arrive in August 2008. This is a very serious issue for Emirates and the company is now reviewing all its options." Airbus A380 program was already about a year behind schedule when the latest problems came to light. "Virgin Atlantic Airways also said the delay could affect its order for six superjumbos," AP writes. Reuters cites "one newspaper report" as saying that Airbus may now deliver just two A380s in 2007 -– down from its original projection of 20-25. Just in June, Airbus had downgraded its projected 2007 delivery estimate to nine.
Even a hint of losing Emirates as a customer would likely have huge repercussions for Airbus's A380 program. Emirates is Airbus's single-largest buyer for the A380, accounting for about a third of the company's orders for the superjumbo, according to Reuters. Airbus's A380 issues could spill over into other areas at the company. CNN writes that the A380 woes have started "eating into cash Airbus needs to redeploy to its A350 project." And beyond practical issues, the troubled A380 could be leading to a crisis of confidence at the European jetmaker. German publication Spiegel addresses that idea, writing that "the superjumbo A380 was supposed to become a symbol for Airbus's superiority and Boeing's decline. But it hasn't turned out that way. Instead, the prestige project could turn in to a symbol for the Europeans' aerospace downfall."
Airbus is poised to admit today that its beleaguered Airbus A380 program now will fall nearly two years behind schedule, Reuters reports. And that apparently has some of the superjumbo's top buyers rethinking their orders. Emirates, for example, was informed by Airbus of an additional 10-month delay for its A380 delivery dates. Emirates -- the top buyer of the A380 -- responded by saying that airline's order is now "up in the air," according to The Associated Press. Emirates President Tim Clark adds: "Our first aircraft will now arrive in August 2008. This is a very serious issue for Emirates and the company is now reviewing all its options." Airbus A380 program was already about a year behind schedule when the latest problems came to light. "Virgin Atlantic Airways also said the delay could affect its order for six superjumbos," AP writes. Reuters cites "one newspaper report" as saying that Airbus may now deliver just two A380s in 2007 -– down from its original projection of 20-25. Just in June, Airbus had downgraded its projected 2007 delivery estimate to nine.
Even a hint of losing Emirates as a customer would likely have huge repercussions for Airbus's A380 program. Emirates is Airbus's single-largest buyer for the A380, accounting for about a third of the company's orders for the superjumbo, according to Reuters. Airbus's A380 issues could spill over into other areas at the company. CNN writes that the A380 woes have started "eating into cash Airbus needs to redeploy to its A350 project." And beyond practical issues, the troubled A380 could be leading to a crisis of confidence at the European jetmaker. German publication Spiegel addresses that idea, writing that "the superjumbo A380 was supposed to become a symbol for Airbus's superiority and Boeing's decline. But it hasn't turned out that way. Instead, the prestige project could turn in to a symbol for the Europeans' aerospace downfall."
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Taxpayers will bail them out! And they won't have a choice. They have as much chance of going TU as does the US goverment. But thinking about it, we are being run by G.W....
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Good riddance! If it ain't Boeing, I am not going!
With fuel prices at recent levels - and surely to go higher in the future as world demand increases and politics worsen, it could be economically disasterous for US to add more 330 gas hogs to the fleet than are already on order. Even if AB re-engines the aircraft for better performance, it would likely be impossible with the existing mainframe weight to increase the range to anywhere near the 2000nmi+ advantage of the 787-8 - the most ordered version thus far. Further, the 20+% fuel efficiency disadvantage is not something an airline would likely accept as a long term fleet solution. If the 350 is canceled, US would possibly look at leasing the 787 from some source, such as ILFC. That route would however, probably push out the first delivery until the 2012 timeframe - the same period the 350 is currently forecast. That's a full 3-4 years after other domestic carriers will be using the 787. ? is will that make it more difficult for US to compete with those carriers (for profit margin) on similar routes. Of course who knows - maybe Parker has a backup plan already negotiated with someone in the event the 350 is indeed canceled. If he doesn't he should'nt be where he is.
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Wow, this is all unprecedented. Never before has a new design been delayed by 2 years. If this were Boeing, they would be bankrupt soon. This is bad news for the airlines. Without 2 strong manufacturers, new aircraft prices will rise...
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There is no guarantee the Boeing 787 will get through the certification process unscathed.
The 787 is using many new technologies that are as yet, untested.
An example would be using electric pressurization instead of bleed air from the powerplants for pressurization. It will also user higher output hydraulic systems.
Until the 787 has flown it's first revenue flight, Airbus may still be in the hunt.
The 787 is using many new technologies that are as yet, untested.
An example would be using electric pressurization instead of bleed air from the powerplants for pressurization. It will also user higher output hydraulic systems.
Until the 787 has flown it's first revenue flight, Airbus may still be in the hunt.
Boeing woud not risk certification problems. If their engineers don't believe a system or design will meet FAA/JAA certification, they will re-design it before it makes it out of the hangar.
On the topic of the A350, US will probably get some A330-2's and A330-3's at a steep discount to hold over until the A350 is ready, if it ever will be. I'm sure Boeing will also offer some attractive prices on 767/777 to try and switch US from EADS aicraft during the turmoil.
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