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In a previous, now locked, thread, Aquagreen73s repeatedly asserted that the 5050 pilots had "left the scene of the accident" in an act of "treachery." One of his final posts included an invitation to contact the Alpa CSC (Central Air Safety) Chairman so that he could verify Aquagreen's opinions. I did even better. (Perhaps the AWA version of 700UW (World Expert on Everything) assumed that this would never actually happen.) It took some work, but I was able to contact a 25 year Alpa accident investigator who was on scene the night of the 5050 accident. He was present and involved throughout the investigation. Read on.
<<<Why don't you call and let us know what the CASC would say about absconding from authorities for 48 hours. I know and probably 98% of the readers know what they would say. Do you?>>>
First sleazy lie from the anonymous Aquagreen, who had no role in the investigation. The pilots were on scene in the aftermath and completed all of their duties, including talking to NTSB and Alpa reps. The local authorities made no attempt to question them on scene! They absconded from no one.
<<<No proof? You yourself admitted they left the scene and were in hiding for nearly two days! Oh my Lord in Heaven. I will go through this one more time: they left the scene of a fatal accident. That act by itself is a crime. It's understandable why people can't make sense of the IRS code, but what we're talking about here is so elementary that there isn't one justification in the universe for the act. I will vociferously condemn that act today and into eternity because we're talking about a basic precept of ethics.>>>
More disgusting lies. The pilots were taken to a hotel by the Alpa reps and their location was known at all times by Alpa, USAir management, and the NTSB. The police had expressed no interest in questioning the crew and no objection to their departure.
<<<Don't watch Oprah. Just drawing a distinction between standing up and serving penance like a man versus the actions of the 5050 crew whcih killed 2 and injured 45. Nobody who is grounded in reality would ignore the obvious treachery of leaving the scene of FATAL accident after being the cause of said accident. Argue all you want. You guys are starting to sound like OJ lovers. Run OJ Run!>>>
Again, the police made no attempt to question the pilots on the night of the accident. It was not until the next day that Queens District Attorney John Santucci, then in the midst of a difficult primary challenge, decided to inject himself into the front page news. The sensationalist tabloid New York Post had run with an absurd story that the pilots had been seen by a so-called "witness" drinking at a local bar in the hours before the accident. If ten minutes of legwork had been performed, they could have verified that the crew had flown in from Greensboro just prior to the events. DA Santucci made a statement about the accident site being a possible "crime scene.," thus beginning the process of his office attempting to interview the crew. It was the Alpa staff, with no objection from the NTSB or company, who resisted this naked political attention grab. The pilots did not flee anyone. Alpa staff advised them to not come forward and aid the DA in his reelection ploy. The NTSB investigators, who had a slightly better understanding of the situation than Aquagreen737, fully agreed with the Alpa position. After a brief flurry of activity, the DA and his staff backed off. The Alpa investigator emailed me an October 6, 1989 New York Times article which included this:
The Queens District Attorney said yesterday that his office had found no evidence of criminal conduct by the cockpit crew of the jet. ''So far, there's been no evidence of criminality,'' the prosecutor, John J. Santucci, said in what he described as an interim report.
<<<So you're saying it's ok to override every principle of right and wrong based upon the [supposed] statements made by a lawyer which essentially encouraged two individuals to leave the scene of a fatal accident, an act which is a crime in itself. Is that it? Well let me ask you this: if your son or daughter was killed by a driver who suddenly disappeared from the scene, would you still condone leaving the scene? I doubt it.>>>
Since this forum requires a certain protocol, I am forbidden from using precise wording in describing this poster. Let me just contrast this man's pedantic ignorance with the integrity and encyclopedic knowledge of the long time Alpa investigator. Believe me, he was dismayed and absolutely disgusted with the insane lies of the Aquagreen73s anonymous poster.
<<<Ok then, you must not understand the facts so let me enlighten you: they left the scene of a fatal accident and their whereabouts were unknown for nearly two days. Local police were among the first on the accident scene. One of the things cops are empowered to do by our Constitution is to investigate. NTSB regulations clearly recognize this and accomodate this police power. Perhaps we'll never know exactly why they left, but their reasoning is immaterial because the focus is on the act and nothing else. Much like Hughes and Cloyd - the focus is (and should be) on their act. There is no need to speculate as to motive in either case. But like Miami, we can draw some pretty basic conclusions from their type of behavior: if you have nothing to hide, then why run? Surely everyone who is educated enough to fly commercial airplanes for a living also has a basic understanding of the Constitutional protections which exist. But even if they don't, the system can not and will not tolerate running from police. And just to clarify - remaining unavailable with full knowledge that authorities are seeking to question is tantamount to running. Call it constructive running. . .>>>
Good grief! This guy needs help.
<<<Why don't you call and let us know what the CASC would say about absconding from authorities for 48 hours. I know and probably 98% of the readers know what they would say. Do you?>>>
I can state two facts. First, the Alpa accident investigation staff is now well aware of your "opinions." (Please PM your actual identity because I know that they would love to contact you.) Second fact is that they would not say what you think.
Crawl back under your rock. :down:
<<<Why don't you call and let us know what the CASC would say about absconding from authorities for 48 hours. I know and probably 98% of the readers know what they would say. Do you?>>>
First sleazy lie from the anonymous Aquagreen, who had no role in the investigation. The pilots were on scene in the aftermath and completed all of their duties, including talking to NTSB and Alpa reps. The local authorities made no attempt to question them on scene! They absconded from no one.
<<<No proof? You yourself admitted they left the scene and were in hiding for nearly two days! Oh my Lord in Heaven. I will go through this one more time: they left the scene of a fatal accident. That act by itself is a crime. It's understandable why people can't make sense of the IRS code, but what we're talking about here is so elementary that there isn't one justification in the universe for the act. I will vociferously condemn that act today and into eternity because we're talking about a basic precept of ethics.>>>
More disgusting lies. The pilots were taken to a hotel by the Alpa reps and their location was known at all times by Alpa, USAir management, and the NTSB. The police had expressed no interest in questioning the crew and no objection to their departure.
<<<Don't watch Oprah. Just drawing a distinction between standing up and serving penance like a man versus the actions of the 5050 crew whcih killed 2 and injured 45. Nobody who is grounded in reality would ignore the obvious treachery of leaving the scene of FATAL accident after being the cause of said accident. Argue all you want. You guys are starting to sound like OJ lovers. Run OJ Run!>>>
Again, the police made no attempt to question the pilots on the night of the accident. It was not until the next day that Queens District Attorney John Santucci, then in the midst of a difficult primary challenge, decided to inject himself into the front page news. The sensationalist tabloid New York Post had run with an absurd story that the pilots had been seen by a so-called "witness" drinking at a local bar in the hours before the accident. If ten minutes of legwork had been performed, they could have verified that the crew had flown in from Greensboro just prior to the events. DA Santucci made a statement about the accident site being a possible "crime scene.," thus beginning the process of his office attempting to interview the crew. It was the Alpa staff, with no objection from the NTSB or company, who resisted this naked political attention grab. The pilots did not flee anyone. Alpa staff advised them to not come forward and aid the DA in his reelection ploy. The NTSB investigators, who had a slightly better understanding of the situation than Aquagreen737, fully agreed with the Alpa position. After a brief flurry of activity, the DA and his staff backed off. The Alpa investigator emailed me an October 6, 1989 New York Times article which included this:
The Queens District Attorney said yesterday that his office had found no evidence of criminal conduct by the cockpit crew of the jet. ''So far, there's been no evidence of criminality,'' the prosecutor, John J. Santucci, said in what he described as an interim report.
<<<So you're saying it's ok to override every principle of right and wrong based upon the [supposed] statements made by a lawyer which essentially encouraged two individuals to leave the scene of a fatal accident, an act which is a crime in itself. Is that it? Well let me ask you this: if your son or daughter was killed by a driver who suddenly disappeared from the scene, would you still condone leaving the scene? I doubt it.>>>
Since this forum requires a certain protocol, I am forbidden from using precise wording in describing this poster. Let me just contrast this man's pedantic ignorance with the integrity and encyclopedic knowledge of the long time Alpa investigator. Believe me, he was dismayed and absolutely disgusted with the insane lies of the Aquagreen73s anonymous poster.
<<<Ok then, you must not understand the facts so let me enlighten you: they left the scene of a fatal accident and their whereabouts were unknown for nearly two days. Local police were among the first on the accident scene. One of the things cops are empowered to do by our Constitution is to investigate. NTSB regulations clearly recognize this and accomodate this police power. Perhaps we'll never know exactly why they left, but their reasoning is immaterial because the focus is on the act and nothing else. Much like Hughes and Cloyd - the focus is (and should be) on their act. There is no need to speculate as to motive in either case. But like Miami, we can draw some pretty basic conclusions from their type of behavior: if you have nothing to hide, then why run? Surely everyone who is educated enough to fly commercial airplanes for a living also has a basic understanding of the Constitutional protections which exist. But even if they don't, the system can not and will not tolerate running from police. And just to clarify - remaining unavailable with full knowledge that authorities are seeking to question is tantamount to running. Call it constructive running. . .>>>
Good grief! This guy needs help.
<<<Why don't you call and let us know what the CASC would say about absconding from authorities for 48 hours. I know and probably 98% of the readers know what they would say. Do you?>>>
I can state two facts. First, the Alpa accident investigation staff is now well aware of your "opinions." (Please PM your actual identity because I know that they would love to contact you.) Second fact is that they would not say what you think.
Crawl back under your rock. :down:
