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Sigh..I fully understand my son...It's really been "hopeless" for almost a year now :lol:

"The importance of this award cannot be underestimated. Management attempted to subvert the collective bargaining process and that could not be left unchallenged." That last would seem "somewhat" dependant upon the CBA .......................or; have you missed that entirely? 😉

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Uh OH, DOH os out for pass travel. it must be alpa's fault.




Pass Travel Arbitration Decision



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MEC President Gary Richardson filed a grievance in May of 2006 (Grievance #24-66-2-14-06) when management changed the company's pass policy and reduced the number as well as the associated benefits of Flexi Passes. Richardson filed an additional grievance in March of 2007 (Grievance #24-66-2-17-07) when the company implemented a shift in the way that former America West flight attendants utilized their pass benefits by changing the boarding priority from first-come first-serve to year-of-hire. AFA-CWA and the company agreed in May of 2007 to combine these two grievances into one amended grievance covering all issues (Grievance # 24-66-2-14-06 as Amended).



On November 1, 2007, AFA-CWA Associate General Counsel Mark Bigelow, assisted by Master Executive Council (MEC) Grievance Chairperson Linda Campagna, presented their case-in-chief on the diminishment of pass travel benefits before the AWA/AFA System Board of Adjustment with Fred Horowitz presiding as Arbitrator.



Arbitrator Horowitz and System Board members Monica Wilfong (AFA), Gene Labat (AFA), Cindi Simone (USA), and Sherri Shamblin (USA) heard testimony from MEC President Gary Richardson, MEC Secretary/Treasurer Mary Cost, and AFA-CWA Executive Assistant to the International President Bill McGlashen regarding AFA's belief that management violated Section 27 Q and all relevant sections of the AWA/AFA Collective Bargaining Agreement when they reduced or discontinued the then current pass policy in effect as of the signing date of the 1999 agreement.



The Company put on as witnesses Al Hemenway-Vice President of Labor Relations, Erin Lewin-former Associate General Counsel for US Airways, and Joe Haik-Director of Reservations.



On Monday, April 7, 2008 Arbitrator Horowitz issued his final decision in the matter.



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OPINION BY THE ARBITRATOR
The opportunity to utilize free and reduced rate travel privileges is a treasured benefit for employees of any airline. Prior to the merger, America West Flight Attendants enjoyed a generous package of travel benefits including Flexi-Passes and boarding priority assigned at check-in. Not surprisingly, US Airways had a different array of passes and boarding priorities for their employees. Faced with sharply conflicting policies and contractual obligations among the employee groups after the merger and the limited capabilities of their computer system, management implemented a policy which it believed preserved essential benefits and could be uniformly applied. The Union asserts some of the changes imposed by the Company resulted in a diminution of benefits to Flight Attendants in violation of the Agreement. The Company, however, maintains the changes viewed as a whole enhanced the former policy for Flight Attendants and was thus not inconsistent with the Agreement.



Section 27.Q.2. of the Agreement provides the Company shall not reduce or discontinue pass privileges for Flight Attendants and eligible dependents during the life of the Agreement.



The parties agree this language does not prohibit the Company from making periodic changes or enhancements to the program which do not diminish benefits for Flight Attendants or their dependents. Rather, the disagreement here focuses on changes in boarding priorities and the elimination of Flexi-Passes claimed by the Union to be violative of the Agreement. Because changes per se are not prohibited, the Company correctly contends the reduction or elimination of any given travel pass privilege or benefit cannot be viewed in isolation. If the loss of one benefit is offset by the addition of another of equal or greater value, a violation will likely not be established.



Prior to the merger, Flight Attendants received 24-40 Flexi-Passes per year depending on their attendance each quarter. Flexi-passes could be used for up to 40 guests, up to 20 companions, or up to 13 vacation passes as well as higher boarding priority, $20 reductions in parent travel fares, upgrades to first class, or pet passes in any combination.



In April 2006, the Company eliminated these passes in favor of two vacation passes per year for Flight Attendants, later increased to three with eight guest passes per year. Although the cost of those passes was somewhat reduced, the new guest and vacation passes carried none of the flexibility of Flexi-Passes which empowered Flight Attendants to use for upgrades or a higher boarding priority accorded vacation passes. Moreover, the reward for perfect attendance in a quarter was lost. The Company cites improvements said to be ignored by the Union, such as a price and payment system for guests using a credit card online, the ability for unmarried employees to declare a "registered guest" for unpaid travel on the same basis as a spouse, free pet travel, and the ability to ship cargo without needing a pass. In addition, many of the travel fees associated with travel under the new policy are less for employees than under the prior policy. These improvements are unquestionably significant to many Flight Attendants, especially those able to take advantage of the registered guest, pet and cargo privileges unavailable before. Yet the fact remains that the much greater number of passes, as well as the flexibility of use accorded those passes, has been lost for all Flight Attendants under the new system. A similar disagreement exists concerning boarding priority at the airport. The Union bemoans the loss of first come-first served boarding priority enjoyed by Flight Attendants prior to the merger. Under that system, Flight Attendants could determine with greater certainty their chances of boarding at the airport. This is a particular value all Flight Attendants, junior or senior, who travel on time off as well as commuting to work.



The Union correctly argues this method gives equal opportunity for all Flight Attendants to establish their priority for having a seat on any given flight. Date of hire boarding removes that valued element of certainty by allowing a senior employee to bump a Flight Attendant who checked in early and would otherwise have been able to take the flight.



The Company argues the new policy has not resulted in a material number of boarding denials to Flight Attendants. But the studies conducted by management do not take into account Flight Attendants who forgo checking in because they did not want to take a chance of being bumped by a senior employee at the gate. The Company also contends date of hire no longer disadvantages senior employees who for a variety of reasons are not able to check in as early as other employees. But a mere reallocation of boarding priority among employees from junior to senior, or senior to junior, cannot objectively be considered an enhancement.



The Company also seeks credit for other benefits, such as access to East routes on an equal footing with East employees, as significant for West Flight Attendants. Yet these gains do not necessarily offset the loss of boarding priority at check in for Flight Attendants as well as fewer less flexible passes for use on those routes.



The evidence in this proceeding reflects management made a sincere and determined effort to reconcile these competing policies in the fairest manner possible following the merger.



One cannot quarrel with the desirability of a uniform system, compatible with existing computer systems, for monitoring and controlling such policies. Nevertheless, the duty in Section 27.Q.2 to refrain from reducing or discontinuing travel pass privileges cannot be sacrificed merely on the mantle of administrative convenience. The parties agreed in 1999, through the process of collective bargaining, that a pass policy which included Flexi-passes and first come-first served boarding would be preserved for the duration of the Agreement. So long as that compact remains in effect, any reductions in the travel pass program for Flight Attendants can only be achieved by mutual agreement. In this case, the Company bypassed the Union when making changes to the travel pass policy it believed were necessary due to the merger. The elimination of Flexi-passes and changes in boarding priority resulted in a diminution of travel pass benefits to Flight Attendants. A finding those changes thereby violated Section 27.Q.2. is manifest.



Having determined the Company violated the Agreement as alleged, the discussion turns to the appropriate remedy. The Union requests a return to first come-first served boarding on West metal, reinstatement of Flexi-passes, and additional passes to compensate for the loss of Flexi-passes over the past two years. But just as administrative convenience is no defense for management's violation of the Agreement, a System Board does not have the authority to determine selectively which provisions of the pre-September 2005 pass policy should be retained. Accordingly, the appropriate remedy is status quo ante and leave for the parties to decide in the crucible of collective bargaining which features of the pre-September 2005 pass policy for Flight Attendants may be changed and to what degree. All other requests for relief are denied.



THE AWARD



1. The Company violated the Agreement by the series of changes it made to the employee pass program following its merger with US Airways in September 2005.



2. For remedy, the Company is ordered to return to the pass policies as existed for Flight Attendants prior to the changes made in September 2005.



DATED: April 7, 2008

Santa Monica, California



FREDRIC R. HOROWITZ, Arbitrator



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The importance of this award cannot be underestimated. Management attempted to subvert the collective bargaining process and that could not be left unchallenged.


Throughout this merger, management has made unilateral changes to policies without conferring or bargaining over those changes where required. As in this grievance and all others filed, the Union will vigorously defend its member's rights under the Collective Bargaining Agreement.



We will continue to provide you with information regarding this matter as it becomes available. Additionally, we will place this decision on the agenda for discussion during our April 16, 2008 Local Council meeting.



Gary Richardson

MEC President

Association of Flight Attendants-CWA



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Looks like the West F/A's are going to come to the same conclusion as the pilots....

TAKE WHAT YOU CAN AND GIVE NOTHING BACK!

It will have to be worked out in their "JNC". That's possible since AFA has DOH in their constitution.
 
Sigh..I fully understand my son...It's really been "hopeless" for almost a year now :lol:

"The importance of this award cannot be underestimated. Management attempted to subvert the collective bargaining process and that could not be left unchallenged." That last would seem "somewhat" dependant upon the CBA .......................or; have you missed that entirely? 😉

Well its interesting that you feel that way, the Nic. was arrived at thru both of our cba's, or did you miss that point entirely?
 
Well its interesting that you feel that way, the Nic. was arrived at thru both of our cba's, or did you miss that point entirely?
Trying to convince yourself that you're right again. It won't convince anybody else, but if it makes you feel good, go ahead.
 
Well its interesting that you feel that way, the Nic. was arrived at thru both of our cba's, or did you miss that point entirely?

DOH clearly exists within both pilot groups' current contracts. I'll grant that's of no apparent consequence within your belief structure, and that you seem to think that an entirely different bargaining agency will not effect anything as well. No matter; We'll have to allow time and events to actually determine the future.
 
DOH clearly exists within both pilot groups' current contracts. I'll grant that's of no apparent consequence within your belief structure, and that you seem to think that an entirely different bargaining agency will not effect anything as well. No matter; We'll have to allow time and events to actually determine the future.

So, what part of our cba's deal with merging lists?
 
So, what part of our cba's deal with merging lists?

If you've some need to keep yourself convinced..that's fine. It's my perception that you're continuing to play a "bad run of cards" and will desperately grasp at anything to get your "money"/Nic back at this point. I've yet to see so much as one of your group's assumptions proved true by actual events, other than the thought that Alpo would bless Nic, which we all agreed on, although for entirely different reasons...ie: "Righteous" versus Spineless. We'll have to allow time and said actual events to further determine the future.
 
If you've some need to keep yourself convinced..that's fine. It's my perception that you're continuing to play a "bad run of cards" and will desperately grasp at anything to get your "money"/Nic back at this point. I've yet to see so much as one of your group's assumptions proved true by actual events, other than the thought that Alpo would bless Nic, which we all agreed on, although for entirely different reasons...ie: "Righteous" versus Spineless. We'll have to allow time and said actual events to further determine the future.
Are you ever going to answer any questions? I asked you a simple one, what part of your cba deals with merging lists, and does it say doh?
 
Since many of the West pilots posting here and on the ALPA National boards have unequivocally stated that voting for USAPA would ensure the implementation of the NIC award (in fact the East MEC Chairman has made the same claim), for the life of me I can't understand, why oh why any Westie would vote for FUDALPA, when electing USAPA as the CBA would only hasten the ushering in and guaranteeing the NIC ! Strange behavior to say the least! Or is it that they talk tough, but have nothing of substance to actually back up those statements? Very curious indeed. Merely opinions I think, all around... and as they say... opinions are just like a**h*l*s... everybody's got one!
 
Since many of the West pilots posting here and on the ALPA National boards have unequivocally stated that voting for USAPA would ensure the implementation of the NIC award (in fact the East MEC Chairman has made the same claim), for the life of me I can't understand, why oh why any Westie would vote for FUDALPA, when electing USAPA as the CBA would only hasten the ushering in and guaranteeing the NIC ! Strange behavior to say the least! Or is it that they talk tough, but have nothing of substance to actually back up those statements? Very curious indeed. Merely opinions I think, all around... and as they say... opinions are just like a**h*l*s... everybody's got one!
It's actually very simple, with usapa we are all unprotected from the company for years to come, If we get in some sort of trouble, you think we want usapa representing us? Alpa is going to suck, just not as bad as usapa.
 
It's actually very simple, with usapa we are all unprotected from the company for years to come, If we get in some sort of trouble, you think we want usapa representing us? Alpa is going to suck, just not as bad as usapa.

Evidently Leonidas, YOU ... have no idea to what degree ALPA SUCKS! You talk about being unprotected under USAPA? The US Airways pilots have collectively determined by a brick bat to the head that we have had NO PROTECTION UNDER ALPA, THEIR KOOLADE DRINKERS NOR THEIR PUPPETS for so long I can't remember! I have no idea how many years you've been with AWA, but with over 27 years on the East side, I've seen the MEC power brokers wield their spin with their revisionism.

I don't think you nor anyone else should be held responsible for the East management's malfeasance... but I don't want to be held responsible for something over which I had no control. The MEC reps that appointed our JNC and our Merger committee were not reps I supported... and I refuse to be held accountable for this. I have voted no to every TA that has come down the pike over the last number of years. Through ALPA's fear campaign they cowed a "majority -- 57%--of pilots into voting for LOA 93.

It's sad to think that there is so much venom enabled, fostered and encouraged by our current CBA that reconciliation seems remote... I for one (and I have an opinion... just like I have... well you know) believe whomever is elected as the CBA, if we don't all take a deep breath... step back and find a way to fix this problem my "opinion" is it won't matter who saved who, it won't matter who brought what financing to the table... it ultimately won't matter about that little "final and binding"... as we'll all be out on the street.

Should USAPA be elected... as the West pilots have said countless times regarding the NIC... we should just move on... let's focus our energy on the true adversary, the management of US Airways....
 
It's actually very simple, with usapa we are all unprotected from the company for years to come, If we get in some sort of trouble, you think we want usapa representing us? Alpa is going to suck, just not as bad as usapa.

When you get "in trouble" with the company, it's an AWA pilot (your rep) who represents you, not ALPA. Conceivably pilots from that exact same group of AWA pilots will still represent you. The most ALPA might do is send a lawyer if things really got difficult. USAPA has lawyers, too. The only difference is the USAPA lawyers are 100% beholden to the pilot members of USAPA, while the ALPA lawyers (as we have seen time and time again) have their loyalties to the ALPA mother ship first and foremost.
 
When you get "in trouble" with the company, it's an AWA pilot (your rep) who represents you, not ALPA. Conceivably pilots from that exact same group of AWA pilots will still represent you. The most ALPA might do is send a lawyer if things really got difficult. USAPA has lawyers, too. The only difference is the USAPA lawyers are 100% beholden to the pilot members of USAPA, while the ALPA lawyers (as we have seen time and time again) have their loyalties to the ALPA mother ship first and foremost.
Sorry I won't take your word for it, after all usapa was born to try and staple the west, you expect us to believe they would represent us fairly? what a joke.
 
Evidently Leonidas, YOU ... have no idea to what degree ALPA SUCKS! You talk about being unprotected under USAPA? The US Airways pilots have collectively determined by a brick bat to the head that we have had NO PROTECTION UNDER ALPA, THEIR KOOLADE DRINKERS NOR THEIR PUPPETS for so long I can't remember! I have no idea how many years you've been with AWA, but with over 27 years on the East side, I've seen the MEC power brokers wield their spin with their revisionism.

I don't think you nor anyone else should be held responsible for the East management's malfeasance... but I don't want to be held responsible for something over which I had no control. The MEC reps that appointed our JNC and our Merger committee were not reps I supported... and I refuse to be held accountable for this. I have voted no to every TA that has come down the pike over the last number of years. Through ALPA's fear campaign they cowed a "majority -- 57%--of pilots into voting for LOA 93.

It's sad to think that there is so much venom enabled, fostered and encouraged by our current CBA that reconciliation seems remote... I for one (and I have an opinion... just like I have... well you know) believe whomever is elected as the CBA, if we don't all take a deep breath... step back and find a way to fix this problem my "opinion" is it won't matter who saved who, it won't matter who brought what financing to the table... it ultimately won't matter about that little "final and binding"... as we'll all be out on the street.

Should USAPA be elected... as the West pilots have said countless times regarding the NIC... we should just move on... let's focus our energy on the true adversary, the management of US Airways....
Thats funny the reason you took bigger pay cuts than you needed is because the idiots in phl were to stupid, you know the same clowns that demanded doh or nothing from your merger committee, the same clowns who support usapa. Yeah 57% of you voted for that abomination and now you are pissed about it? get ready for little old awa pilot's to clean your clock again, you guys are to freakin stupid to take responsibility for your actions, that won't change under usapa.
 
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