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Thirdseat, have you ever worked line? What is difficult about it? Come on there Third please let me know what is difficult about this job? Either I am that good or you guys suck so much that you make this job difficult. Let me tell you what is difficult about this job, that would be waking up and driving here and getting on that stupid bus. I hate that employee bus with a passion. So do tell us Thirdseat, what do you guys find so difficult about this job? Do give us some specifics.


Well why don't you start by the problem that was first put to you not too long ago. DC-9 Pack trip.

Or how about B757 "NO LAND III" message

When was the last time you rigged a passenger door, or any flight control? On ANY aircraft.

Ever null an LVDT?

How about calibrate a fuel quantity system....after you've trouble shot it of course.

Are you one of those 6 hour brake changers I've heard about???

Thats probably why you spend 90% of YOUR time changing light bulbs......its all you can handle.

Just because NWA taught you how to defer things doesn't make you a line mechanic.
 
"Not every communication technique is traceable..... Let's look at the groups that are NOT directly under BK Court control......All of the above are tools that AMFA could have used."
And in your last sentence is the fatal weakness. AMFA does come under the court and if shown to "have used" these techniques, its leaders would have been enjoined from continuing and been subject to the courts punishment
See I too know a little about taking on a power structure and prevailing. I was involved in a grass roots movement.... to stop a power company from building a pumping station .... raised $64,000.... won the referendum .... Effective use of the media...."Hired" ..Abbie Hoffman to be .."consultant"... got us on the national ..news!...built a coalition...dumped 10 tons of horse manure on the court house steps... had over 100 people occupy the Court House for 48 days...got ourselves arrested at the site .... lady in a wheelchair being handcuffed....Peter Jennings let the world see that! ... we still prevailed. Those ..in leadership..transferred our assets to ..relatives ... just in case...disrupted ..commissioner meetings.
Congratulations Piney Bob - and I mean it. You openly used every modern method of obstructionism, civil disobedience, public relations, etc., as a means to an end. But that is not the course you recommended that AMFA undertake in your prior post.
Better savor your victory over AMFA because it could be short lived. Suppose your ham handed assualt on the AMFA steels the resolve of all the other workgroups? How many days can NWA survive being grounded before it is forced to liquidate or negotiate? If that happens maybe the AMFA is back on the property?
Might be easier for Pilots, AMT's, Rampers & F/A's to replace their pay & benefits level than it would be for the mid to high level drones that populate HQ. I mean how marketable is a person who participated in destroying a company that didn't have to die? I don't know, do you?
PB, First off, I am not in any way connected with NW so I am not a "victor". Like you, I too am a FF; and also I am a former military pilot, a once-retired but still active businessman and an aviation lover. From your profile, you have been a poster on this USAviation board for a long time; but your now very frequent posts on the NW Forum have been more recent and it is obvious you are not yet familiar with the work background of other spirited and opinionated posters.

The majority of the current posters here are connected to AA. Many are AMT who support the effort to oust TWU and install AMFA. Some are AMT supporters of TWU who relish the fix that AMFA is in at NW. There are other AA retired line employees, FA, mid-management, ex-TWA, flight operations, ets., who chime in.

The minority (in both numbers and posts) are a combination of the NW replacement workers (scabs), NW line IAM employees, NW mid-management, NW flight crew, a few strong union supporters from OAL and interested outsiders like you and me. [I once posted a list of the AA AMT posters; but it seems to have disappeared].

Don't paint all of us who challange some of the pro-union posts with the brush of being NW management. I am interested in and concerned about the future of commercial aviation and the airlines of the U.S. IMO, there have been excesses in the structural costs embedded in the industry over the years of regulation followed by deregulation. These include excess management, over staffing, feather-bedding, etc. It seems that these are now finally being addressed in the crisis of failing airlines.

I'm sorry it has to come to a strike and the training and hiring of replacements. But these are all legal actions on the part of the employees through their union and by the company in anticipation of and after a strike. 'Good Faith' bargaining does not preclude preparation for a "strike", "work stoppage", "withholding of services". Nor does it constitute 'union-busting'. AMFA 'shot crap' and it appears to have come up with 'snake eyes'.
 
Well why don't you start by the problem that was first put to you not too long ago. DC-9 Pack trip.

I am not exactly sure what that is but I will take a gander at it. I would say that it was some type of over heat condition in the pack and or duct. I am sure there is some sensor in there that will automatically shut the pack down. It could happen in auto mode but is probably more common in manual mode. I'm not so sure if there is a manual reset for it so I am going to say it automaticly resets after the tempeture drops below a predetermined setting.

Or how about B757 "NO LAND III" message

Never ran across that one either but if it is a true eicas message I would simply break out the FIM manual and follow the required steps which is probably reseting circuit breakers and running a byte test. I would guess it to be more than likely an LRU issue. Of course first we will make sure it is a hard fault and not a nuisance fault.

When was the last time you rigged a passenger door, or any flight control? On ANY aircraft.

I have never rigged a passenger door but I have rigged a few cargo doors on an A300-600. I have also assisted in some flight control rigging but have never done it by myself I really don't see how anyone could.

Ever null an LVDT?

No I have not.

How about calibrate a fuel quantity system....after you've trouble shot it of course.

Changed a few LCD displays at the refuel panel but that’s about it concerning the fuel system. Unless you want to start talking sheet metal.

Are you one of those 6 hour brake changers I've heard about???

Depending on the type of aircraft my brake changes run from fifty minutes to an hour and a half, most of that is determined by the cooperation of the tire sliding onto the discs.

Thats probably why you spend 90% of YOUR time changing light bulbs......its all you can handle.

I can handle much more than that, its on the overnights and road trips that you get to do all the good stuff. By the way 90% of the time that what’s wrong with the aircraft. I would say the next most common write up would be seat issues followed by LAV issues. You can't fix what isn't broke.

Just because NWA taught you how to defer things doesn't make you a line mechanic.

Quit trying to pump this job up into something it isn't we all know "dayshift licks em and sticks em and nightshift clears em" that is just the way it is and I am most certain that is the way it is at every airline. An airline cannot operate without MEL's.
 
Quit trying to pump this job up into something it isn't we all know "dayshift licks em and sticks em and nightshift clears em" that is just the way it is and I am most certain that is the way it is at every airline. An airline cannot operate without MEL's.


I don't have to try and "pump" anything into something it isn't, to show the obvious flaw in your naive and oversimplistic appraisal of AMTs.

You've tried to debase the skills of AMTs as a point of derision, however the answers you've provided show a distinct LACKING of yours when it comes to the very skills you try and down play.


As to your original post:

"in a trade that anyone can do"

I guess with that sort of childlike logic, anyone could be a pilot, or a doctor, or an astronaut, or the president, or etc..etc..etc..
 
Thirdseat, have you ever worked line? What is difficult about it? Come on there Third please let me know what is difficult about this job? Either I am that good or you guys suck so much that you make this job difficult. Let me tell you what is difficult about this job, that would be waking up and driving here and getting on that stupid bus. I hate that employee bus with a passion. So do tell us Thirdseat, what do you guys find so difficult about this job? Do give us some specifics.

Play the odds,

You are truly clueless. I have read you opinions and see major faults with every thought you have. I work line mx, as I have for twenty years. I get paid for knowledge and skill. I get paid for my brain as well as my back. You get paid for being a scum sucker! JMO. You need to open your mind and realize what intellengent people are telling you. It is not to late to learn.
 
Play the odds,
You are truly clueless.

:lol: I am not going to argue whether or not you are a good mechanic. Nor am i going to deny that experience can greatly reduce trouble-shooting time. I will argue that you can easily be replaced with someone equivalent as you or can easily be up to speed in just a year or two.

I am not here to put the AMT profession down. I'm just not going to let you guys turn yourselves into some type of wrench gods.

A737lvr, do you care to be a bit more specific about my flaws, other than just throwing some generic insult out there?
 
We can always go back to a previous post several months ago concerning servicing a IDG :up:
 
Hypocrite? Me? Come on local, get with the program.

By the way an AMFA Boy was terminated a few days ago and a Scab, they were unrelated incidents. It seems the Scab took a trip to Amsterdam, stayed a little to long and called in sick the day he flew back. :lol: I thought that was kind of funny. The AMFA Boy couldn't fill out an MEL if his life depended on it. Nor did he know a damn thing about the aircraft. Eighteen years with the company and didn't know a damn thing. Turns out all he ever did was drive a push-back tug. It appears all this time he had a deal worked out with his buddies at the gates next to his where he took care of their pushbacks and they handled his aircraft maintenance. The guys said "he could put an aircraft anywhere you wanted it though, but don't turn him loose with a wrench or a pen."

You guys like to say "The Real Mechanics", could you give me a definition of that as well? I am beginning to believe that it is a hypocritical statement.
 
I am willin to bet that the AMFA boy got fired because of a scum bum scab got him in trouble. IF he had 18 yrs with AMFA at NWA, then obvisouly he knew how to fill out the MEL. I dont think it can be that hard unles a scab is going to make it hard for him. But if he was an AMFA that crossed over, then he too is a scab. As for the other scab he deserved to be fired to flying home from AMS and calling in sick
 

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