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Trading information is one thing. Disclosing the names is a major issue. All one has to do is make a formal complaint to the NMB and then see how far it will go. If this does pan out to be actual names that signed this may put a halt to the Teamsters drive for now until it gets all sorted out.
AMFAinMIAMI
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brownmech
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talk about Federal Laws, how's about some guys coming to LAX and wanting to sneak on the airport and sneak around and get cards signed. how dumb is that? could have gotten the guys from LAX who were to escort them fired. not to smart @ all, no wonder they stood in the freezing cold parking lot. and you want them to represent you. hmmmmmmm
AMFAinMIAMI
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Brownmech
The plan to come to LAX was not done behind anynones back, the mechanics were told we were coming weeks in advance. They were also told that AMFA Natl. would supply food for the shifts starting at 1500 thru the midnight shift.
No one was going to be sneaking around. Upon arrival Amfa organizers were met by security, station mgr, and the IBT organizer and told that they would not be allowed on the Property.
The reason they were outside is because a letter that the station mgr and Regional Mgr had said that NO organizing was to be done on AA property. So if the teamsters had tried to get on the property they as well would of been told the same thing. tell me this, would the IBT Natl officers come and talk to you or do you only have to listen to the local amt's pushing IBT and the IBT paid organizers from the LA Local of IBT. I assume you are from UPS explain to us why YOU are not part of the LA local even though you are a Teamster? I bet if you asked to do away with your Loacal 2727
in Louisville and get with the LA local your Mechanics would be screaming bloody murder. So don't say you support the IBT when you are not part of the Local that represents the NON UPS mechanics.
Does a Union agreeing to have their members make $15000 less a year than non-union make sense?
If the IBT is trying to oust the TWU how come their campaign is about AMFA?
At US the IBT and CWA jointly represent the agents.
The TWU rents space from the CWA
The TWU and CWA are jointly trying to organize Delta FAs
The IBT and TWU are jointly trying to organize MROs.
When the IBT came to JFK they told the guys that the TWU International invited them to organize.
Are things becoming clearer?
The TWU wants us to leave, if we leave then they get at least $10 million, (they only get two million a year from us in dues and they spend most of that paying the salaries of mechanics they drafted into the ATD, Gless-$180Kplus, Videtich-$150k +, McCoy-$150k, Vanderlo??, Moses-$150k+, Clark??)they wouldn't have to worry about us at the Convention in September either, they just don't want us to go to AMFA.
Little may be vulnerable at the Convention, he is from the ATD, he has stacked the International with pro company AA people, Gordon, Conley , Donnelly, even Gordon's Daughter has a six figure job with the International. He has alienated the WN FAs by putting McDaniels in a spot over the objections of their President and firing Portia Reddick. He knows the Line guys are unhappy with him, the OH guys in Tulsa will turn against him if the company announces they are outsourcing the 767s before the convention. If Transit and Rail decide to challenge Little, and the WN FAs are still battling with the International, he may be one of the very few TWU International Presidents to lose an election. Getting rid of 9000 mechanics who would likely support anybody but Little, and netting at least $10 million from the mechanics treasuries seems to make a little more sense now doesn't it?
AMFAinMIAMI
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Brownmech
Be honest Do you even know who the Local pres of the LA local is? What he does as a career?
How many terms he has been in office? Who the Business Agent is who represents the LAX mechanics at United?
I would bet if we were face to face and I asked you you would tell me that you don't but I will lokk it up?
But you want the AA mechanics to be in a Local that is solely run by members NOT Affiliated with the Airline Industry at all. that has the butcher the baker and grocery clerks etc.. in it.
The United guys from SFO are in that local and the reason for that is that they were put there to refund the organizing efforts paid for by the LA local during the IBT raid on UAL. Fact this was told to me by your IBT Intl rep Chris Moore and UAL REP Robert Ficsher. Make sure you inform the LAX mechanics about that as well. So some guys are working in SFO but attached to LAX can't vote on SFO issues.
Be honest Do you even know who the Local pres of the LA local is? What he does as a career?
How many terms he has been in office? Who the Business Agent is who represents the LAX mechanics at United?
I would bet if we were face to face and I asked you you would tell me that you don't but I will lokk it up?
But you want the AA mechanics to be in a Local that is solely run by members NOT Affiliated with the Airline Industry at all. that has the butcher the baker and grocery clerks etc.. in it.
The United guys from SFO are in that local and the reason for that is that they were put there to refund the organizing efforts paid for by the LA local during the IBT raid on UAL. Fact this was told to me by your IBT Intl rep Chris Moore and UAL REP Robert Ficsher. Make sure you inform the LAX mechanics about that as well. So some guys are working in SFO but attached to LAX can't vote on SFO issues.
The IBT works for AMTs at UPS cause UPS makes a lot of money. Any union at UPS could demand decent wages and get them. The IBT at AA or the TWU at AA would be one in the same for AMTs. No representation for AMTs; in fact, worse - total degradation of the profession. The reasoning is simple, if you sign and date a Teamsters card after you already signed an AMFA card - the most recently signed card is the one that is recognized - thereby nullifying the AMFA card. A simple - yet devious plan.
I give them a little more credit than that. Making money doesnt make companies generous. Remember the IBT is a huge union, you have the TDU factions that tend to be more Militant and the Aircraft Mechanics at UPS have a special deal, their own Local, (2727?) they don't even mix with the Drivers at UPS. Completely separate. The Drivers at UPS I believe come from Ron Carey's old Local, they kicked ass back in the 90s and won very good contracts after a very successful strike that the media had predicted would fail miserably. Since Hoffa took over things have not gone so good, Hoffa has castrated the Union in an effort to get rid of government oversight. The Overnight Trucking debacle has been the defining event in his tenure as it was made into a movie called "American Standoff" (2002)
I do not believe the IBT is offering AA mechanics their own Local, instead the "spoils" would be distributed to Locals that are not airline specific. A mess. Mechanics would probably never see another mechanic as their President again. Instead of having appointed people like Don Videtich and Bobby Gless telling you to lower your expectations you would have business agents from who knows where telling you to lower your expectations. I recall a story told to me back in 1980 by an old mechanic at Capital Air. They had the Teamsters and they sent their business agent , an old trucker from Tennessee to run their negotiations. they did almost no prep, instead after the company walked into the room he turned around and asked "Hey how much are we asking for?" They whispered in his ear "$5/hr". Right in front of the company he shouted out "$5/hr!! Thats more than I used to make in a day". They called the International and said if they didn't get that guy out of there they would stop paying dues and decertify the Union immediately.
Ken MacTiernan
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brownmech,
Care to be more specific about any lies you think I am "spewing"? If I, or anyone else, need to explain why the two industrial unions are in "cahoots" then you can not understand facts as they are.
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i'll start with AMFA in Miami, when you told the mechanics you were going to LAX you told management. Next Bob Owens, you say that the TWU gets $10 million if we leave. I'm not the smartest tool in the shed but were do i sign up. it's a no brainer. As far as CWA IBT, IBT TWU, CWA TWU, who shot JR and where is Hoffa really buried. AMFA is not that scary as you might think. Oh and by the way the AMFA International elections were a joke 29% voted and only took 365 votes to win VP. I got more votes in High School for Student Council President. Get off your high horses and come back to reality.
