AMT compensation

[odie01]

If AA does away with OH I'll start a thread for ORD where you can get house in the Chicago area with a good school district. I don't think you'll be able to touch anything with more then a 1/4 acre of land and be within an hour of the airport for anything less then $400k.

Your seniority only worries half the line mechs. remember just because you work at OH, doesn't mean you have more seniority then all the line station mechs, but I'll welcome you here just the same, remember on Christmas everybody brings something in to work for X-mas dinner.

I'm from Chicago, have family in NY, worked the line and now OH. I know how exspensive it is to live in Chicago and I also know the difference between line maintenance and overhaul having experienced both. If half the mechanics in ORD are not worried with the seniority at the bases, then I have to say they are the minority, and again, two seperate contracts will not fly. One contract with line premium, geo. pay, 3rd shift premium differential, ect, should do it for you guys. As far as OH, most of us are not opposed to working weekends, as long as we are compensated for them, like most other jobs out their. Do you honestly believe that as long as aa has base maintenance, and the majority of the mechanics work there, that we will have seperate contracts?

 

[Duke787]

I'm from Chicago, have family in NY, worked the line and now OH. I know how exspensive it is to live in Chicago and I also know the difference between line maintenance and overhaul having experienced both. If half the mechanics in ORD are not worried with the seniority at the bases, then I have to say they are the minority, and again, two seperate contracts will not fly. One contract with line premium, geo. pay, 3rd shift premium differential, ect, should do it for you guys. As far as OH, most of us are not opposed to working weekends, as long as we are compensated for them, like most other jobs out their. Do you honestly believe that as long as aa has base maintenance, and the majority of the mechanics work there, that we will have seperate contracts?

Tech svc is small group and they have there own contract, why should we be any different?

 

[Bob Owens]

There is no doubt that AA OH is second to none, just because I want to have a seperate contract from OH like the tech guys have from us, doesn't mean I'm having a line - vs - OH debate, we have different jobs and different concerns. I think it be simpler for OH mechs to negotiate OH concerns and line to negotiate line concerns.

If a mech in his 40s or 50s wants to move his family to a line station more power to him, but to think you are just going to commute to and from TUL will be a mistake, based on the load factors AA currently has. Plus I wouldn't want to be away from my family 3 to 4 days a week, best case scenario.

Well ORD, MIA and MCI voted Yes for the deal while DFW, AFW, TUL, NYC and LAX voted against it. So we had one out of three bases and two out of five Cornerstone cites vote in favor of the deal. While one could argue that the base voted it down for different reasons, not that I'm saying thats the case, but how how do you explain the results of the vote? Obviously NYC, LAX and DFW were on one page while ORD and MIA were on another.

 

[Duke787]

Well ORD, MIA and MCI voted Yes for the deal while DFW, AFW, TUL, NYC and LAX voted against it. So we had one out of three bases and two out of five Cornerstone cites vote in favor of the deal. While one could argue that the base voted it down for different reasons, not that I'm saying thats the case, but how how do you explain the results of the vote? Obviously NYC, LAX and DFW were on one page while ORD and MIA were on another.

I'm not sure what the vote on the TA has to do with me wanting a seperate contract between OH and line.

 

[enough already]

There is no doubt that AA OH is second to none, just because I want to have a seperate contract from OH like the tech guys have from us, doesn't mean I'm having a line - vs - OH debate, we have different jobs and different concerns. I think it be simpler for OH mechs to negotiate OH concerns and line to negotiate line concerns.

If a mech in his 40s or 50s wants to move his family to a line station more power to him, but to think you are just going to commute to and from TUL will be a mistake, based on the load factors AA currently has. Plus I wouldn't want to be away from my family 3 to 4 days a week, best case scenario.

I'm 52 with 23 yrs. I prefer staying here in Tulsa, but if you were to succeed in splitting off OH and they outsource it, I will gladly use my seniority to replace whatever line guy I have to. Hopefully it will be somebody with and attitude like yours. <_<

 

[paul1]

the time it would take AA to move everyone around the system wouldn't be practical and then there's the question about passing the qualifying test. I don't think the test will be a shoe in for many and AA willn't just pass guys because of there seniority. plus the time it will take to get up to speed and training . I know plenty of slackers on the line . I worked tulsa and all the guys aleast 10 I hired in with are all still in tulsa.

ask odie said and I agree tulsa will always be there, its just a matter of who will be running it

but hey come to the line and you may hold afternoons with rotating shifts so you will be able to work weekends also

 

[Duke787]

I'm 52 with 23 yrs. I prefer staying here in Tulsa, but if you were to succeed in splitting off OH and they outsource it, I will gladly use my seniority to replace whatever line guy I have to. Hopefully it will be somebody with and attitude like yours. <_<

Who said anything about splitting off OH, I just want seperate contracts. With 23 years you could hold afternoons with rotating days at ORD.

Odie is the guy who suggested doing away with AA OH.

 

[767 mechanic]

Well ORD, MIA and MCI voted Yes for the deal while DFW, AFW, TUL, NYC and LAX voted against it. So we had one out of three bases and two out of five Cornerstone cites vote in favor of the deal. While one could argue that the base voted it down for different reasons, not that I'm saying thats the case, but how how do you explain the results of the vote? Obviously NYC, LAX and DFW were on one page while ORD and MIA were on another.

ORD--- Gilboy--Int Rep,MIA-- Woodward--Int want to be along with being AA colaborator during Neg,MCIE--Clark--Int Rep and I thought that DFW--Zimmerman and Tul--Luis voted yes to bring the t/a back. The common denominator is the International sell outs and want to be's. One of the want to be's Johnny Griffith (AKA PORK CHOP JOHNNY) voted no from what I'm told although he was very reluctant to do so,but he made up for that by inviting Mary Tinmons and other members of the companys negotiating team to his 50th birthday party. No wonder that he was trying to get over to DWH to get closer to the Int offices and the IVORY TOWERS.

 

[sixty/4]

Really?
I'll bet their are thousands of title 1 and title 2 mechanics in overhaul that have 20+ years with the company, in their mid to late forties, that would rather stay with AA than start over in seniority somewhere else. This is why you are waisting you time with the line versus OH debate, unless the company does away with OH, the union, whether it be twu, AMP, Teamsters, or dog catchers, will not separate the contracts because the majority is in OH.

Like I said earlier, You hired into this company with OH and most likely you will retire with OH.
AA keeps the work in house, not because it cares about you and I, but because we do quality work stateside, minutes away from our hubs, and its controlled by AA not foreign contractors.

 

[Ken MacTiernan]

ORD--- Gilboy--Int Rep,MIA-- Woodward--Int want to be along with being AA colaborator during Neg,MCIE--Clark--Int Rep and I thought that DFW--Zimmerman and Tul--Luis voted yes to bring the t/a back. The common denominator is the International sell outs and want to be's. One of the want to be's Johnny Griffith (AKA PORK CHOP JOHNNY) voted no from what I'm told although he was very reluctant to do so,but he made up for that by inviting Mary Tinmons and other members of the companys negotiating team to his 50th birthday party. No wonder that he was trying to get over to DWH to get closer to the Int offices and the IVORY TOWERS.

DFW Zimmerman stood at the podium in the Hall tapping his finger saying he will not bring anything back that did NOT have full retro AND he would not bring back a concessionary contract. He also spoke up for Louis's "position" that he was NOT another burchette. I ran for office with Zimmerman and believed he was true to his word. Trust me when I say that he NEVER confided in the Board as to his vote prior to voting YES to bring that POS t/a back. We were shocked.

DFW Zimmerman quickly hid behind the verbal defense of ... I'm not the "Gate Keeper". It's up to the membership to vote on this. I need a MANDATE from the membership by their voting this t/a down. Send me back to negotiations where the company knows I have the membership supporting me.

When I made the motion on the Board to rent buses to have people drive to Tulsa with a banner that said VOTE NO - SAVE OUR PROFESSION with "Local 565" underneath this wording DFW Zimmerman said no. He did not like the idea of DFW AMTs and Stock Clerks standing in front of the Base's gate with a VOTE NO banner. He did not prevent me and Jerry Mishak, E-Board at Large, from doing this but he sure didn't like our speaking out against that POS t/a.

We drove to Tulsa with 8 people NOT to say that Tulsa was a Yes vote because Louis voted Yes but because we wanted Tulsa to know that the Line and Overhaul are together, (regardless of the attempts of people like burchette and alias posters on this BB), and that if the t/a is voted in that would be the end of our craft and profession. The t/a was the other half of the feared "Vermont Plan".

Zimmerman and Louis both sold out the membership. As for Gilboy he was telling his membership to vote Yes because if they voted no they'd be on strike in 30 days.

 

[paul1]

ken

let me clear this up ken. in ord gilboy never said one way or another on how to vote on this previous T/A. when talking to the memebership(and i'm not much of a gliboy supporter) I do know most of the guys on the e-board where against this previous T/A.

one reason I heard that the bases voted down the T/A, was the line was going to make much more than the bases. If you go to page 22 of this thread. I reason line was only going to make .55 more a hour just like we do now. the bases guy where going to make a premiun also. I referenced the previous T/A and current proposal.


plus the bases making a weekend premiun

plus a signing bonus at the bases

 

[Bob Owens]

Bob this is from the current twu proposal article 4 pg9 this is where I get the idea bases are getting a premium also section 2

In the TA there was no Base premium, in the proposal there is. Your post said that OH was offered a $1.95 base premium in the TA

 

[Ken MacTiernan]

ken

let me clear this up ken. in ord gilboy never said one way or another on how to vote on this previous T/A. when talking to the memebership(and i'm not much of a gliboy supporter) I do know most of the guys on the e-board where against this previous T/A.

one reason I heard that the bases voted down the T/A, was the line was going to make much more than the bases. If you go to page 22 of this thread. I reason line was only going to make .55 more a hour just like we do now. the bases guy where going to make a premiun also. I referenced the previous T/A and current proposal.


plus the bases making a weekend premiun

plus a signing bonus at the bases

paul1,

I have a friend in MIA who told me that Gilboy was in fact saying to vote Yes. I am glad that most of the E-Board there voted No. I wish that the entire Board was against it.

 

[MCI transplant]

<_< ------- Maybe AA's management should take an example from Uncle Sam!!! http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/03/28/senior-federal-workers-told-pay-raises-year/

 

[FWAAA]

<_< ------- Maybe AA's management should take an example from Uncle Sam!!! http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/03/28/senior-federal-workers-told-pay-raises-year/

Did AA management get raises in 2011? Did management get raises in 2010? I don't know.

Besides, whether Arpey makes $1 million, $10 million or $50 million has nothing to do with increasing the pay of AA's AMTs.