AMT compensation

[Bob Owens]

It's a valid question to ask, but to turn it around a bit, perhaps it wasn't so wise for the TWU to have asked for the moon in 2001.

Maybe if they'd have aimed a little lower, the company wouldn't have been looking for 20% cuts.

I know, some of you think they would have still gone as deep as they could, but the fact still holds that they didn't go after the Eagle guys, so it could have been a slightly different outcome in 2003...

Who asked for the moon?

All we got is what everyone else was getting. When we gave back other carriers who had already gone BK had to go back for a second round of cuts to try and catch up to AA.

The only reason why they didnt go after the Eagle guys is because they were so low already there wasnt any room to take anything.

People dont normally make Eagle a career, its a place to go to get experience. If they lowered the rates they wouldnt even be able to get kids out of school that still live with Mom and Dad.

 

[787nightmare]

Who asked for the moon?

All we got is what everyone else was getting. When we gave back other carriers who had already gone BK had to go back for a second round of cuts to try and catch up to AA.

The only reason why they didnt go after the Eagle guys is because they were so low already there wasnt any room to take anything.

People dont normally make Eagle a career, its a place to go to get experience. If they lowered the rates they wouldnt even be able to get kids out of school that still live with Mom and Dad.

Oh yeah they would Bob...in the south.
Trust me...you'd be amazed.

 

[eolesen]

It's not just the south, 787. The guys working for Eagle in MQT are making a pretty good wage for the U.P., where the median household income is around $30K. If you can handle the winters and like to fish & hunt, the UP isn't such a bad place to live.

I've known a few guys who flew for Eagle and had no desire to jump up to the majors. They had enough seniority to be home every night, and plan their life without worrying about commuting or having to spend X number of nights away from home. Yes, there really are pilots who aren't in it for the big cashout...

 

[Hopeful]

Yes, there really are pilots who aren't in it for the big cashout...

I wonder if the same can be said about executives!

 

[sixty/4]

In my opinion OH is done at AA. The union basically priced themselves out of OH jobs with wages that don't reflect existing wages in other overhaul facilities in the US or abroad. I'm not trying to be anti-union but let's face reality by proposing above market wages for OH will lead AA to test the MRO market. Remember the 757 yield problems....don't you think AA is using that threat to go out and test the OH market?
Guys, Line vs. OH is not BS, and people on the line are finally realizing that Line's value has been compromised for the benefit of OH. In other words, we're thinking outside the box....FINALLY! But there's an 800 pound gorilla named OH that's holding us back from getting the going rate for line maintenance. As a stand alone group Line is worth $50.13 per hour, and as part of OH and the masses it's been $33. Very good arguement to seperate from OH.

 

[sixty/4]

This is whats wrong with our union, line guys think they deserve more , the company loves guys like you. If we got paid on what we did I guess line mechs would be making AAR wages
and OH would be making the 50.00 bucks an hour. We got to stop talking like this.
If the company took our maintenance to AAR
it would cost double on what they normally charge and take months to get a heavy done.

 

[paul1]

I'm missing something here about o/h being sold out by the line.

i.e. overhaul thinks the line is going to make more than them, currently the line makes .50 more than tulsa and no weekend premium.

Part of the agreement when you where begging AA to hire you some 15 plus years ago work 24/7 weekends holidays and etc, etc....................

I don't see what the big difference was going to be between line and o/h the 5/5/2010

line o/h difference
base pay 28.02 28.02
line/base premium 2.55 1.95
license pay 5.00 5.00
total 35.57 34.97 .60 cents

under the twu new proposal 2011

base pay 28.83 28.83
line/base premium 2.55 2.00
license pay 6.00 6.00
total 37.38 36.83 .55 cents

total how much more now 1.81 1.86

plus under the new twu proposal geo. pay will knock some guys up .50 cents to 1.25 more a hour but not everyone (thats you guys with your 25,000 dollar bass boats and 50,000 trucks to pull the bass boat will not get the geo. pay)
plus the bases would have pick up the weekend premium in the first proposal of .50 cents nad now .55 cents under the new proposal


if my numbers are wrong please correct me, I'm sure someone will ty

 

[Duke787]

I'm missing something here about o/h being sold out by the line.

i.e. overhaul thinks the line is going to make more than them, currently the line makes .50 more than tulsa and no weekend premium.

Part of the agreement when you where begging AA to hire you some 15 plus years ago work 24/7 weekends holidays and etc, etc....................

I don't see what the big difference was going to be between line and o/h the 5/5/2010

line o/h difference
base pay 28.02 28.02
line/base premium 2.55 1.95
license pay 5.00 5.00
total 35.57 34.97 .60 cents

under the twu new proposal 2011

base pay 28.83 28.83
line/base premium 2.55 2.00
license pay 6.00 6.00
total 37.38 36.83 .55 cents

total how much more now 1.81 1.86

plus under the new twu proposal geo. pay will knock some guys up .50 cents to 1.25 more a hour but not everyone (thats you guys with your 25,000 dollar bass boats and 50,000 trucks to pull the bass boat will not get the geo. pay)
plus the bases would have pick up the weekend premium in the first proposal of .50 cents nad now .55 cents under the new proposal


if my numbers are wrong please correct me, I'm sure someone will ty

I say seperate contracts, then we wouldn't have to worry about animosity between line and OH, and TUL local President can fight for OH to keep banking hours.

One thing you forgot Paul was the $6000 bonus OH was going to get in the TA.

 

[odie01]

I say seperate contracts, then we wouldn't have to worry about animosity between line and OH, and TUL local President can fight for OH to keep banking hours.

One thing you forgot Paul was the $6000 bonus OH was going to get in the TA.

Are you and Paul room-mates?

 

[sixty/4]

I say seperate contracts, then we wouldn't have to worry about animosity between line and OH, and TUL local President can fight for OH to keep banking hours.

One thing you forgot Paul was the $6000 bonus OH was going to get in the TA.

 

[Bob Owens]

I'm missing something here about o/h being sold out by the line.

i.e. overhaul thinks the line is going to make more than them, currently the line makes .50 more than tulsa and no weekend premium.

Part of the agreement when you where begging AA to hire you some 15 plus years ago work 24/7 weekends holidays and etc, etc....................

I don't see what the big difference was going to be between line and o/h the 5/5/2010

line o/h difference
base pay 28.02 28.02
line/base premium 2.55 1.95
license pay 5.00 5.00
total 35.57 34.97 .60 cents

under the twu new proposal 2011

base pay 28.83 28.83
line/base premium 2.55 2.00
license pay 6.00 6.00
total 37.38 36.83 .55 cents

total how much more now 1.81 1.86

plus under the new twu proposal geo. pay will knock some guys up .50 cents to 1.25 more a hour but not everyone (thats you guys with your 25,000 dollar bass boats and 50,000 trucks to pull the bass boat will not get the geo. pay)
plus the bases would have pick up the weekend premium in the first proposal of .50 cents nad now .55 cents under the new proposal


if my numbers are wrong please correct me, I'm sure someone will ty

First off I dont recall a base premium in the TA. The $1.95 was line pay for Title II
The TA would have put chart at $28.44 for 2011, the new table position tops out at $30.88

Also MRT is $1.50, shift 0.83 max and longevity is at 0.95 max after 20 years.
So the all in for a guy on midnights on the line and the highest cost city would be $43.96, For a line mechanic on days in a low cost city $40.38 and for a guy on the base $39.83. The TA would have put the base guys at $32.44 , we are looking for $39.83, $7.39 more. TA would have put Day shift line in a low (or high)cost city at $35.99 , we are looking for $40.38 ($41.63), or $4.39 ($5.64)more. Nights would see a bigger increase with the differentail and MRT adding on another $2.33

So you are correct in that the base isnt being sold out by the line but the guys working nights on the line would make out the best, which is as it should be.

 

[sixty/4]

I work OH and I'm for line guys getting extra pay for living in a high cost area. But far as the work we do ( line / OH) we do alot more skilled work, and we work in the heat & cold too.
I would work weekends if we would get a good contract.

 

[700UW]

Cant have separate Contracts, same class and craft determined by the NMB.

 

[Ken MacTiernan]

I work OH and I'm for line guys getting extra pay for living in a high cost area. But far as the work we do ( line / OH) we do alot more skilled work, and we work in the heat & cold too.
I would work weekends if we would get a good contract.

sixty,

Nice try at attempting to create division between overhaul/line. Yes, o/h does skilled work and so does the line. As AMTs we all have skills and responsibilites, (that goes for welders, etc.). You want to work weekends for more money power to you.

 

[Duke787]

I work OH and I'm for line guys getting extra pay for living in a high cost area. But far as the work we do ( line / OH) we do alot more skilled work, and we work in the heat & cold too.
I would work weekends if we would get a good contract.

Nobody has ever said that OH isn't skilled, or doesn't do outstanding work. With AA flying over 600 aircraft EVERYDAY, the line AMTs must have some skills, and line mechs don't care if OH works weekends. (bankers hours for OH will NOT be a strike issue)

Seperate contracts...so OH can use their skills to get their 5 day work week......