APA Board Censures the Top Dogs

[Mrs. McFly]

What is going on over at APA? There may be some truth to the rumors of a power struggle between Hill and the board.

http://www.star-telegram.com/business/story/1270044.html

 

[FrequentFlierCA]

Wow! So I guess the pilots, and even some of their leadership, don't share Hill's playbook and career suicidal tendencies. That's a good thing! What have Captain Hill's tactics achieved in the years of negotiations so far? Not a thing... and it looks like the pilots are well aware of that fact.

 

[Man of the People]

Wow! So I guess the pilots, and even some of their leadership, don't share Hill's playbook and career suicidal tendencies. That's a good thing! What have Captain Hill's tactics achieved in the years of negotiations so far? Not a thing... and it looks like the pilots are well aware of that fact.

Keep it up Hill. There is a silent majority who know what it takes to get paid at AA.

 

[American Air Surf]

What is going on over at APA? There may be some truth to the rumors of a power struggle between Hill and the board.

http://www.star-telegram.com/business/story/1270044.html

If the APA Board, doesn't like the heat in the kitchen- Then they need to get out!! It is apparent, that the APA board just loves taking it up the A** from AA. If they don't like Mr. Hill's tactics, than maybe Mr. Hill and his buddies should resign-, and let the patsy board-(Idiots) deal with AA. You would think the APA, would be tired by now of taking it where the sun doesn't shine. If AA goes down, so be it. Because that is where AA wants to be anyway...

 

[FrequentFlierCA]

From what I've read in recent days, it sounds like Hill and his pals are totally disrespecting the Constitutional order of things at APA. The board should be the one setting policy, but apparently Hill has tried to monopolize that function and pursue his own agenda.

Certainly hasn't amounted to a Hill of beans, has it?

 

[wcs]

What have Captain Hill's tactics achieved in the years of negotiations so far? Not a thing

Granted, some of Captain Hill tactics may be somewhat over the top. But none of the unions have made any progress negotiations and some have been at it for nearly three years. The other unions have not displayed as aggressive a stance and that hasn't been rewarded. What should Captain Hill do to produce results? The company shows no interest in moving forward and is in a constant delay posture.

 

[JFK Fleet Service]

APA board member comments:

Dallas Morning News

 

[frontline]

We (TWU) have not put forward as aggressive a stance and we had an offer on the table our brilliant leaders chose to walk away from. Considering AA's cash burn rate and losses this year, we may come to regret that day!

 

[Winglet]

The rift has a lot more to do with whether to conduct a general strike vs. a targeted/limited strike. Management and lackies should not take any comfort from a bit of isolated internal APA politics.

 

[Hackman]

We (TWU) have not put forward as aggressive a stance and we had an offer on the table our brilliant leaders chose to walk away from. Considering AA's cash burn rate and losses this year, we may come to regret that day!

The only thing I personally regret is having a compAAny bootlicker like you in my work group. Are you sure your not a level 0 at Centerpork? You sure sound like one. I'll make another bold prediction about you, if the twu ever has to get tough (ha ha ha) like the APA, or possibly strike (heaven forbid) YOU would be one of the first to SCAB wouldn't you? Yes, you would.

Our brillant leaders in the twu did the right thing for a change.....walked away from a horrible concessionary agreement.

Get off your knees frontline and be a man. You will like it. :unsure:

 

[FrequentFlierCA]

I guess when you can't attack the line of reasoning, you attack the one delivering it. "Hackman" is an appropriate moniker.

 

[Hackman]

I guess when you can't attack the line of reasoning, you attack the one delivering it. "Hackman" is an appropriate moniker.

Management bootlicking is not a line of reasoning, at least one that will be successful with our highly touted management lies (programs) such as; "Pull Together To Win Together. The twu has shown what docile company unionism has done for the past 25 years.

Now return to helping your business hero Bernie Madoff stay alive in prison, send soap-on-rope. You don't know squat about that inner workings of AA, as you have aptly demonstrated so many times.

I'll also relay to my father Gene what you think of his name.....as if he'll care.

 

[eolesen]

FFCA, you have to understand that guys like Hack see everything as black/white. You're either with us or against us. Red state, blue state.

They don't seem to recognize the concept of independent thought, which is too bad, because it really alienates people from the good which can come out of being in a union.

 

[Hackman]

FFCA, you have to understand that guys like Hack see everything as black/white. You're either with us or against us. Red state, blue state.

They don't seem to recognize the concept of independent thought, which is too bad, because it really alienates people from the good which can come out of being in a union.

Well you see there you go again Eric the smart guy, ass-uming my thought process.
Being a company yes-man is not in the best future intrest, as least as a worker at AA, we have seen the "rewards" by the last 25 years of twu bootlicking and concessions. The workers have seen the falsehoods and outright lies by AA management, along with their "bid-ness partner" the twu for far too long. One of the many reasons AA management are in the situation they are; pissed off workers, the FAA breathing down our back, and a failing airline.

I'd say the "Turn Around" plan worked only one way; For AMR executives and the PUP plan.

I'd say that's about as black and white as it gets. Hey, how are those Bernie Madoff investments doing? I bet FFCA can still get you in for cheap. However, you might have to go see him in prison to get some stock tips.

 

[eolesen]

I'd say the "Turn Around" plan worked only one way; For AMR executives and the PUP plan.

There's that binary logic again -- it didn't work for you, therefore it didn't work for anyone but management...

The reality is that it worked out quite well for shareholders, especially those who took a chance and bought shares in the single digits and sold them in the 30's. That would include a fair number of employees, or at least those who were smart enough not to flip their shares the day they vested each tranche. Don't believe it? The PUP plan is living proof --- had the share values *not* held up or outperformed others, there would have been no payouts.

Turnaround also worked out quite well for creditors and suppliers. Most took a reduction in price or interest rates back in 2003, but saw that as a temporary setback paid off by being able to retain contracts which would have otherwise seen a larger reduction or even cancellation in bankruptcy court.

I'll be the first to agree with you that Shared Sacrifice didn't hold up over time, but the other tenets of the plan did work both ways. Like it or not, reducing the cost structure of the airline allowed a lot of jobs to be retained. I'm not so sure that AA would have fared the storm of Summer 2008 fuel prices quite so well with their 2002 cost structure.