April/May 2013 Pilot Discussion

[Pi brat]

I read the transcripts from NY. My take is that the court would be concerned if the AZ litigation delayed the merger, but for now are taking AOL's word that it doesn't intend to. They are going to make an an agreement that if it doesn't affect the merger the NY court will stay out of it, but reserves the right to look at again.

The Judge and AA creditors want our issue solved and seem to think it should be ripe, but the judge didn't seem to know too much about the case. Even if it is ripe, the question of the merits of the DFR have not been heard. Don't those have to be heard? Doesn't the argument that the MOU changes the whole process need to be heard? How long with this take? What about the contingent nature of the MOU? The west pilots seem to have the theory that once the case is deemed ripe that you just pull the Wake verdict out and Bam, we're done.

The problem is see with the AOL argument that they don't want to delay the merger is that an injunction certainly would delay the merger. This merger, unlike the last one, has an increase in pilot costs and the integration needs to be done to complete the synergies

 

[EastUS1]

THE COURT: ....and I would imagine integration issues are things that it tries to resolve in the ordinary course of business
in consultation with its union. Am I missing something

THE COURT: All right. All right............which list it is, the nicolau list or some other list?

From the likes of the above; you can actually fantasize legal triumph for the mighty "spartans"?....Seriously? 🙂 Ah...Yes indeed. Again, and as always of course; we have a judge unequivocably shouting The Nic is IT! AOL rules! I mean really; what else could possibly be gleaned from: "resolve...in consultation with it's union"...and "which list it is, the nicolau list or some other list?" Small wonder cactusboy continually talks of clicking ruby slippers together. 😉

 

[cleardirect]

THE COURT: All right. Before I hear from the other folks on the phone who wish to be heard let me share my take on this.

Parties could spend a lot of time and money filing various motions in this court that I don't know will really advance the ball. There'll be a fight about forum and
procedures rather than delving into the underlying merits. There was no one who appeared on behalf of the
these parties on the merger motion and the merger hearing that we had last week, so it would seem that to the extent that someone wanted to object to that I'm sure they were aware of it, it was very hard to not be aware that that motion was going to be heard, that that ship has sailed.

So I will take at face value the statement that no one has an interest in interfering with the merger, because I suspect if they did they would have been here to announce their presence with authority


This is probably the most important statement made by the court.

Admonished usapa for wasting time and money.

The judge gets it very quickly. He understood that since the west had not filed anything last week before the deadline we had no intention of interfering with the merger. Just like Marty's letter stated. If usapa lawyers had any smarts he would have pulled the suit.

 

[EastUS1]

The judge gets it very quickly. He understood that since the west had not filed anything last week before the deadline we had no intention of interfering with the merger.

Good for you. Since you've neither the intention nor apparent ability to interfere: What allows you to fantasize having even the tiniest bit of influence on future events?

 

[end_of_alpa]

THE COURT: All right. Before I hear from the other folks on the phone who wish to be heard let me share my take on this.

Parties could spend a lot of time and money filing various motions in this court that I don't know will really advance the ball. There'll be a fight about forum and
procedures rather than delving into the underlying merits. There was no one who appeared on behalf of the
these parties on the merger motion and the merger hearing that we had last week, so it would seem that to the extent that someone wanted to object to that I'm sure they were aware of it, it was very hard to not be aware that that motion was going to be heard, that that ship has sailed.

So I will take at face value the statement that no one has an interest in interfering with the merger, because I suspect if they did they would have been here to announce their presence with authority


This is probably the most important statement made by the court.

Admonished usapa for wasting time and money.

The judge gets it very quickly. He understood that since the west had not filed anything last week before the deadline we had no intention of interfering with the merger. Just like Marty's letter stated. If usapa lawyers had any smarts he would have pulled the suit.

He didn't "admonish" anyone. He made an observation. You guys keep spinning. The FACT is that the BK judge ultimately decide if it interferes with the process. Otherwise, press on in District court. That is all.

 

[snapthis]

April 05, 2013

Leonidas Update

On April 3, 2013, West pilots’ legal counsel Marty Harper and Jennifer Axel, on behalf of Leonidas, LLC, participated in a telephone conference scheduled by Judge Sean Lane. As promised, the transcripts of this conference call are now available. (read NY transcript here). After reading these transcripts, it is clear our previous update was conservative as the transcripts completely expose USAPA’s statements and recent filings in the Arizona District court as fabrications. Judge Lane and the attorneys for the other parties were polite in telling USAPA that they did not belong in Judge Lane’s court and were unanimous in their view that this DFR case needs to be adjudicated in Arizona expeditiously.

Late last night, the company filed their response to our initial Complaint by the required April 4, 2013 deadline (unlike USAPA that has so far missed every filing deadline). (view Doc 28 & 28-1 here). Also, USAPA filed three documents in our Arizona Court case today (read Doc 30, 31, 32 here). While reviewing these documents note USAPA’s attempted claim that the West Pilot Representatives were “admonished” by the NY Bankruptcy Court to not interfere with the merger. Please feel free to reference the NY transcript and show us at what point during the hearing were the West Pilots “admonished.” You will not find any reference to Judge Lane admonishing the West Pilots. This only shows that USAPA will stop at nothing to win favor as the “good guys.”

We are working toward a longer update to expound on recent events and Court filings, but thought to get the raw information to you as quickly as possible.

Remember, Leonidas, LLC will again publish a list of its strongest contributors on April 11, 2013. It is not too late to be recognized for your commitment to our common cause.

Sincerely,

Leonidas, LLC

 

[EastUS1]

This only shows that USAPA will stop at nothing .......

Remember, Leonidas, LLC will again publish a list of its strongest contributors on April 11, 2013. It is not too late to be recognized for your commitment to our common cause.

Leonidas, LLC

"USAPA will stop at nothing to win favor as the “good guys.”.....? 😉

Now there's a salient and truly empowering legal point!

"LLC will again publish a list of its strongest contributors on April 11, 2013." Wow! Now THAT's something serious! "You'se" guys/Dudes/Dudesses 'dat ain't yet sent your last dollar to Leo best "man up" an' do it right now! 🙂 Your desire to place new hires ahead of those with 16-17 years worked defines your "common cause" as "noble" indeed, and the "righteous" receiving of the Holy Grail of St. Nic is just around the corner!....As it has been for the past 5 years and 11 months....Have fun. 😉

 

[luvthe9]

April 05, 2013

Leonidas Update

Sincerely,

Leonidas, LLC

Remember, Leonidas, LLC will again publish a list of its strongest "GROUP OF FOOLS" on April 11, 2013. It is not too late to be recognized for your commitment to our common cause. ( In other words we are very short on money and owe Marty and company millions). PS your "cause" is over most west pilots understand that and are tired of your little AFO's club.

 

[cactusboy53]

Remember, Leonidas, LLC will again publish a list of its strongest "GROUP OF FOOLS" on April 11, 2013. It is not too late to be recognized for your commitment to our common cause. ( In other words we are very short on money and owe Marty and company millions). PS your "cause" is over most west pilots understand that and are tired of your little AFO's club.

You keep thinking that, Cupcake.

 

[Metroyet]

What allows you to fantasize having even the tiniest bit of influence on future events?

you mean like dragging your "union" before a Federal Judge kicking and screaming?

 

[Metroyet]

Doesn't the argument that the MOU changes the whole process need to be heard? How long with this take? What about the contingent nature of the MOU? The west pilots seem to have the theory that once the case is deemed ripe that you just pull the Wake verdict out and Bam, we're done.

The problem is see with the AOL argument that they don't want to delay the merger is that an injunction certainly would delay the merger. This merger, unlike the last one, has an increase in pilot costs and the integration needs to be done to complete the synergies

Firstly, where on Earth do you guys get the idea that the MOU "changes the whole process"? Nothing changed. The West position hasn't changed a bit over the last 5 years and they never agreed to change anything. Did you even read the MOU? You guys seem to have a fundamental problem understanding that document, who it pertains to and which situation it concerns. There isn't a scintilla of East/West issues referred to in that document. Also, the needs of "The Merger" do not trump due process and in anyway trump the West class legal right to fair representation. I think everybody understands that. If the Companies don't want to delay the merger, then all they have to do is what they have known since day one they HAVE to do. Tell the East it's over. They have a list.

Then who would be the ones threatening to delay the merger?

 

[luvthe9]

You keep thinking that, Cupcake.

Come on now Dave, enough is enough your own group is fed up with you, the support is gone people just want to move on. It's over son. The boys and I would like to get together with your group for a little party we can all use our screen names as name tags, it should be fun.

 

[luvthe9]

you mean like dragging your "union" before a Federal Judge kicking and screaming?

Hey Kev how things at AMR, can't imagine why you bailed on you west buddies.

 

[Claxon]

Firstly, where on Earth do you guys get the idea that the MOU "changes the whole process"? Nothing changed. The West position hasn't changed a bit over the last 5 years and they never agreed to change anything. Did you even read the MOU? You guys seem to have a fundamental problem understanding that document, who it pertains to and which situation it concerns. There isn't a scintilla of East/West issues referred to in that document. Also, the needs of "The Merger" do not trump due process and in anyway trump the West class legal right to fair representation. I think everybody understands that. If the Companies don't want to delay the merger, then all they have to do is what they have known since day one they HAVE to do. Tell the East it's over. They have a list.

Then who would be the ones threatening to delay the merger?

Leonidas and the west pilots are mere pimples in the road for AA and the UCC. Also LCC.
You are minor obstacles. Your self image of importance and relevance are figments of your vivid imagination. This deal will move on without you.

 

[Metroyet]

Leonidas and the west pilots are mere pimples in the road for AA and the UCC. Also LCC.
You are minor obstacles. Your self image of importance and relevance are figments of your vivid imagination. This deal will move on without you.

1 MR. MACLAY: Well, that's actually what all
2parties have agreed to in the MOU, Your Honor.

3 THE COURT: No, that's what American and US
4Airways has agreed to. Until there's a merger I understand
5US Airways is its own separate airline the last time I
6checked, and I would imagine integration issues are things
7that it tries to resolve in the ordinary course of business
8in consultation with its union. Am I missing something
9about tha

Your Fake union got Creamed in NY. This is the end game.