April/May 2013 Pilot Discussion

[dca319]

Remember, Leonidas, LLC will again publish a list of its strongest "GROUP OF FOOLS" on April 11, 2013. It is not too late to be recognized for your commitment to our common cause. ( In other words we are very short on money and owe Marty and company millions). PS your "cause" is over most west pilots understand that and are tired of your little AFO's club.

Speaking of fools, aren't you the one that said "Kasher will pay?"

 

[dca319]

Come on now Dave, enough is enough your own group is fed up with you, the support is gone people just want to move on. It's over son. The boys and I would like to get together with your group for a little party we can all use our screen names as name tags, it should be fun.

Kasher will pay us as well?

 

[dca319]

Interesting read here in that even an attorney for the debtor seems to have a completely different view than USAPA.


"MR. MOLLEN: Right. Right. But from our perspective, Your Honor, the Ninth Circuit has not ruled that the case isn't ripe, it held that it wasn't ripe. Now that we've got the MOU in place and we're moving rapidly towards seniority integration under this merger the question of whether USAPA has to come to that particular integration process with a nicolau-based list or not is as ripe as it can be. It will never be more ripe.

We are there, we have reached that juncture.

 

[Bill Brasky]

Interesting read here in that even an attorney for the debtor seems to have a completely different view than USAPA.


"MR. MOLLEN: Right. Right. But from our perspective, Your Honor, the Ninth Circuit has not ruled that the case isn't ripe, it held that it wasn't ripe. Now that we've got the MOU in place and we're moving rapidly towards seniority integration under this merger the question of whether USAPA has to come to that particular integration process with a nicolau-based list or not is as ripe as it can be. It will never be more ripe.

We are there, we have reached that juncture.

Another lawyer that doesn't know what he's talking about. Big shocker there.

 

[dca319]

He didn't "admonish" anyone. He made an observation. You guys keep spinning. The FACT is that the BK judge ultimately decide if it interferes with the process. Otherwise, press on in District court. That is all.

It looks like that's a popular word these days:

"During that conference, the Plaintiffs in this action were admonished by the Bankruptcy Court not to interfere with the Bankruptcy proceedings and also agreed to enter into a stipulation agreeing not to interfere with those proceedings."

I have yet to read where anyone was admonished by the judge

 

[dca319]

Another lawyer that doesn't know what he's talking about. Big shocker there.

Another pilot who thinks he's smarter than a lawyer. Big shocker there. Guys like you blessed us with LOA 93.

 

[dca319]

Anyone find the part about where the judge, according to USAPA, enjoined the west? Must be near where they were "admonished".

 

[dca319]

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[Pi brat]

1 MR. MACLAY: Well, that's actually what all
2parties have agreed to in the MOU, Your Honor.

3 THE COURT: No, that's what American and US
4Airways has agreed to. Until there's a merger I understand
5US Airways is its own separate airline the last time I
6checked, and I would imagine integration issues are things
7that it tries to resolve in the ordinary course of business
8in consultation with its union. Am I missing something
9about tha

Your Fake union got Creamed in NY. This is the end game.

THAT seemed to argue against ripeness. If North Korea continues down it's nutty path, this merger could go poof. If the case is now ripe, will become unripe again?

I can't see how it is ripe until POR unless it can be a conditional decision, but I hope they do get on with it. We need an answer.

 

[Pi brat]

Firstly, where on Earth do you guys get the idea that the MOU "changes the whole process"? Nothing changed. The West position hasn't changed a bit over the last 5 years and they never agreed to change anything. Did you even read the MOU? You guys seem to have a fundamental problem understanding that document, who it pertains to and which situation it concerns. There isn't a scintilla of East/West issues referred to in that document. Also, the needs of "The Merger" do not trump due process and in anyway trump the West class legal right to fair representation. I think everybody understands that. If the Companies don't want to delay the merger, then all they have to do is what they have known since day one they HAVE to do. Tell the East it's over. They have a list.

Then who would be the ones threatening to delay the merger?

Yeah, I've read it, have you? Did you catch the part about seniority listS? Or that nothing would change them except under section 10? Or the separate min block hours for east and west? Or the part where our contract stay the same until POR, then are void? That if there is a disagreement about the MOU it goes to an arbitrator?

 

[Res Judicata]

Another lawyer that doesn't know what he's talking about. Big shocker there.

Amazing how many professionals are inept according to Eastholes. Lawyers, Judges, Arbitrators....I wonder if there's a common denominator? HA!!

 

[dca319]

THAT seemed to argue against ripeness. If North Korea continues down it's nutty path, this merger could go poof. If the case is now ripe, will become unripe again?

I can't see how it is ripe until POR unless it can be a conditional decision, but I hope they do get on with it. We need an answer.

A debtor lawyer seems to think its ripe right now. But seeing how Bill Brasky doesn't think it is (stupid lawyer and all) I guess we'll have to wait.

 

[cleardirect]

He didn't "admonish" anyone. He made an observation. You guys keep spinning. The FACT is that the BK judge ultimately decide if it interferes with the process. Otherwise, press on in District court. That is all.

You must not have read usapa's latest filing.

If no one was admonished usapa needs to withdraw their false statement.

 

[cleardirect]

Another lawyer that doesn't know what he's talking about. Big shocker there.

Every lawyer except usapa is saying it is ripe and only usapa is correct.

Sure dude.

 

[cleardirect]

Yeah, I've read it, have you? Did you catch the part about seniority listS? Or that nothing would change them except under section 10? Or the separate min block hours for east and west? Or the part where our contract stay the same until POR, then are void? That if there is a disagreement about the MOU it goes to an arbitrator?

Did you read the part about this is US Airways problem and it needs to be finished BEFORE the APA merger?

It will not be a three way.

Did you read the part where the APA lawyer says that the APA will inherit this if it is not finished?

Do you think the APA want the liability? No way.