April/May 2013 Pilot Discussion

[luvthe9]

Just a few knuckleheads left on the board with no sense of reality, the rest of your airline is more then ready to move on, you have held back your top guys from widebody slots and alot of growth YOU could have participated in even your furloughed kids understand that, they are coming east, more hiring on the east, your little AFO group are becoming outcasts, even your own management is tired of your games let alone the APA, come on now move on son, it's over.

 

[CaptChill]

Quote the law or court order that says it is not the Nicolau legally.

We all voted for a new contract. Not a new seniority list.

Agreed time to move on. Time to accept the arbitrated list and move on to the next merger.

No new contract yet... thus NO NIC... Sorry... you voted 98% in favor of a memorandum of understanding... NOT A CONTRACT... Do you have the mental capacity to understand the difference?

 

[electricjet98]

No new contract yet... thus NO NIC... Sorry... you voted 98% in favor of a memorandum of understanding... NOT A CONTRACT... Do you have the mental capacity to understand the difference?

And what gets us to a contract? Negotiations followed by binding arbtration with the company. The MOU is the ONLT ratification we had or will have...and places us on a strict timeline after POR. Any question now why we voted 98% in favor?

 

[Phoenix]

And what gets us to a contract? Negotiations followed by binding arbtration with the company. The MOU is the ONLT ratification we had or will have...and places us on a strict timeline after POR. Any question now why we voted 98% in favor?

You mean the MOU about a contingent JCBA stipulates further negotiations? You voted for more contingencies... And you agree we currently have no contract. Ok.

 

[electricjet98]

Further negotiations allowed to move a few dollars from one section to another...or further definitions of certain sections or timelines required due to technology implementation. All within a tightly defined timeline prior to mandatory final & binding arbitration. Care to show me in the MOU where members will be voting for anything now that we ratified the MOU?

 

[Phoenix]

Further negotiations allowed to move a few dollars from one section to another...or further definitions of certain sections or timelines required due to technology implementation. All within a tightly defined timeline prior to mandatory final & binding arbitration. Care to show me in the MOU where members will be voting for anything now that we ratified the MOU?

I am not sure what point you are trying to make. I wouldn't worry too much. Neither NIC or DOH will be agreed to.

 

[CaptChill]

I am not sure what point you are trying to make. I wouldn't worry too much. Neither NIC or DOH will be agreed to.

I agree!

 

[Metroyet]

Just a few knuckleheads left on the board with no sense of reality, the rest of your airline is more then ready to move on, you have held back your top guys from widebody slots and alot of growth YOU could have participated in even your furloughed kids understand that, they are coming east, more hiring on the east, your little AFO group are becoming outcasts, even your own management is tired of your games let alone the APA, come on now move on son, it's over.

Sure are a lot of legal deadlines USAPA is failing to make as they're being dragged back into court. I'd say AOL has done a masterful job of condensing the story, articulating why it's illegal, and have clearly put everybody on notice, with no uncertain terms, what their intentions are in court. USAPA just keeps delaying, suing the wrong parties, and apparently forgetting submission deadlines.

You East guys want this over? You know you can't avoid the court room. Just demand your union get out of the way and lets see what a jury or Judge has to say about it. What are you afraid of?

 

[luvthe9]

Sure are a lot of legal deadlines USAPA is failing to make as they're being dragged back into court. I'd say AOL has done a masterful job of condensing the story, articulating why it's illegal, and have clearly put everybody on notice, with no uncertain terms, what their intentions are in court. USAPA just keeps delaying, suing the wrong parties, and apparently forgetting submission deadlines.

You East guys want this over? You know you can't avoid the court room. Just demand your union get out of the way and lets see what a jury or Judge has to say about it. What are you afraid of?

Kev, how's it going at AMR? I can see why you did not want to go back to the west.

 

[Phoenix]

Sure are a lot of legal deadlines USAPA is failing to make as they're being dragged back into court. I'd say AOL has done a masterful job of condensing the story, articulating why it's illegal, and have clearly put everybody on notice, with no uncertain terms, what their intentions are in court. USAPA just keeps delaying, suing the wrong parties, and apparently forgetting submission deadlines.

You East guys want this over? You know you can't avoid the court room. Just demand your union get out of the way and lets see what a jury or Judge has to say about it. What are you afraid of?

A jury decide? About what? Negotiations are ongoing and additional contingencies have added more uncertainty.

 

[prechilill]

If, the powers that be, declared the DFR-II "ripe" tomorrow (big IF), there would still NOT be an East-West system-wide bid until such time as the ENTIRE merger is complete, which will be what......24-30 months from today. The company is not going to "shuffle" the deck until there is a completed operational and contractual merger. In the unlikely event that during this process AOL is able to get an injunction halting the agreed to "process", an adjudication "requiring" the use of the NIC, would still be required prior to doing so, which would take, how long. Let's see.... a new trial inclusive of discovery and God knows how many pre-trial motions, the inevitable appeal (regardless of who prevails) and another trip to the SCOTUS (regardless of who prevails) any way you cut it, it will be DOH for at least another 24-30 months, much longer (2 to 3+ more years after that) if the DFR-II has to wait till completion of the merger "process" prior to start.

So take a deep breath boys and girls because NOTHING is going to happen "soon"!

Personally, it doesn't appear that any of this will likely happen prior to my retirement and that of many others, in the meantime I will try to "bear-up" under the new pay rates in effect and deal with the QOL improvements afforded to me by my DOH.


seajay

My next bid, which will be in 2015: A330 C/O

 

[CaptChill]

Only two words... "not ripe"... and won't be until a JCBA comes into effect.... Remember the MOU states the moment that happens... all prior agreements are "null and void"... Oops!

 

[cleardirect]

A jury decide? About what? Negotiations are ongoing and additional contingencies have added more uncertainty.

Uncertainties? Is there a question about the pay rates? Is there a question about PBS? Is there uncertainties about how much vacation we are going to get? Is there an uncertainty about how much the total package is going to be?

Are you certain that we are going to vote on a JCBA?

 

[A320 Driver]

My next bid, which will be in 2015: A330 C/O

LOL!!!! You do think big, don't you? In CLT no less... 🙂

 

[Res Judicata]

A jury decide? About what? Negotiations are ongoing and additional contingencies have added more uncertainty.

What seniority list is USAPA going to attempt to integrate with the APA?
Isn't that a simple question? Aren't the members of the most expensive pilot union in the Word entitled to hear this very simple answer? That question is the only ongoing uncertainty. We all know he answer to this; but I'd like to hear it officially.