April/May 2013 Pilot Discussion

[nycbusdriver]

What are you afraid of?

We're afraid your lawyer will not be able to get that Bertram and the chalet in Switzerland.

Besides, we don't want to see the curtain came down on your circus until you've spent several more million....paying for both sides of the argument!

 

[Claxon]

Certainly

 

[Walmartgreeter]

What seniority list is USAPA going to attempt to integrate with the APA?
Isn't that a simple question? Aren't the members of the most expensive pilot union in the Word entitled to hear this very simple answer? That question is the only ongoing uncertainty. We all know he answer to this; but I'd like to hear it officially.

Well, on this board it will never be official. But I will answer. It will be our DOH list. That may indeed not be the end result, but we are obligated to at least start there as per our CBL. Just look on the East list for the pilot who has a DOH that is one day before yours. You will be right behind that pilot on the list your union presents.

You also have a (single) base, equipment bid, and seat. That info will also be presented, along with fence and restriction positions to the APA and/or arbitrators. The process (that replaces LOA 96 at the POR) is clear and has a timeline right there in MOU, the one you ratified by 98%.

DOH keeps everything real simple.

Greeter

 

[Walmartgreeter]

Sure are a lot of legal deadlines USAPA is failing to make as they're being dragged back into court. I'd say AOL has done a masterful job of condensing the story, articulating why it's illegal, and have clearly put everybody on notice, with no uncertain terms, what their intentions are in court. USAPA just keeps delaying, suing the wrong parties, and apparently forgetting submission deadlines.

You East guys want this over? You know you can't avoid the court room. Just demand your union get out of the way and lets see what a jury or Judge has to say about it. What are you afraid of?

If you think our legal representation is dropping the ball, then you should be cheering, not complaining. Unfortunately for you, the view (like any dog behind the lead sled dog) is always the same.

Afraid of nothing. Actually happy you decided to join us all for a pay raise and a new methodology to break the 8 year seniority log jam here (that would be known as our LUP.)

Greeter

 

[Res Judicata]

Well, on this board it will never be official. But I will answer. It will be our DOH list. That may indeed not be the end result, but we are obligated to at least start there as per our CBL. Just look on the East list for the pilot who has a DOH that is one day before yours. You will be right behind that pilot on the list your union presents.

You also have a (single) base, equipment bid, and seat. That info will also be presented, along with fence and restriction positions to the APA and/or arbitrators. The process (that replaces LOA 96 at the POR) is clear and has a timeline right there in MOU, the one you ratified by 98%.

DOH keeps everything real simple.

Greeter

Do you realize that Judge Lane and every one of the Lawyers in NY last week disagrees with you? Btw, that includes USAPAS lawyer as well. It's ripe. It's going to adjudicated. Your powerless, impotent, lame duck scab union will do whatever the court tells it to.

The East is in charge of jack s..t.

 

[Claxon]

Do you realize that Judge Lane and every one of the Lawyers in NY last week disagrees with you? Btw, that includes USAPAS lawyer as well. It's ripe. It's going to adjudicated. Your powerless, impotent, lame duck scab union will do whatever the court tells it to.

The East is in charge of jack s..t.

You are a former Mesa/ TWA pilot. How could you ever think you deserve better than date of hire? What is your reasoning behind this? The america west pilots are 100 percent for the nic, the East pilots are 100 percent against it. This is obviously not natures way.

 

[Walmartgreeter]

Do you realize that Judge Lane and every one of the Lawyers in NY last week disagrees with you? Btw, that includes USAPAS lawyer as well. It's ripe. It's going to adjudicated. Your powerless, impotent, lame duck scab union will do whatever the court tells it to.

The East is in charge of jack s..t.

Moving the case to NY would have simply sped up the same result as the POR, and saved us all moneys. All Judge Lane would have done is suspend any legal actions until his work with getting AMR out of BK was complete. You won, that is not going to happen.

Judge Lane will at no time tell us what list to use or settle our dispute in any way. Why would he, he already knows there is a signed agreement between AMR, APA, UCC, US Airways, and USAPA (including 98% of you) that completely takes care of any problems. All he has to do is wait for the POR.

Yes, you won in not getting the case moved to the BK court. But there are two major wins and one minor point of order determination USAPA had in this affair, only one that was expected. But unlike you and AOL, USAPA does not blather its ongoing legal strategy on web board forums.

Greeter

 

[Phoenix]

Uncertainties? Is there a question about the pay rates? Is there a question about PBS? Is there uncertainties about how much vacation we are going to get? Is there an uncertainty about how much the total package is going to be?

Are you certain that we are going to vote on a JCBA?

Yes, first of all none of those are certain. You did notice the word "contingent" on top of the MOU, no?

Besides that if the things you list as certain are indeed certain, are you suggesting that you intend to sue about certainties? What's the dispute in certainties? 🙄

 

[Walmartgreeter]

Yes, first of all none of those are certain. You did notice the word "contingent" on top of the MOU, no?

Besides that if the things you list as certain are indeed certain, are you suggesting that you intend to sue about certainties? What's the dispute in certainties? 🙄

This is part of Marty Harper's "conditional ripeness" argument, one that is already (as you have pointed out) DOA in the Ninth.

Greeter

 

[Bill Brasky]

Do you realize that Judge Lane and every one of the Lawyers in NY last week disagrees with you? Btw, that includes USAPAS lawyer as well. It's ripe. It's going to adjudicated. Your powerless, impotent, lame duck scab union will do whatever the court tells it to.

The East is in charge of jack s..t.

How do you know what they think at all? They didn't even look at the case, and have ZERO idea of what it concerns. One lawyer even said that "after 13 years" it should be ripe. We know it's not, per Judge Silver and the Ninth Circuit. Plus, ripeness just means you could sue for a DFR, but it doesn't mean you'd win, which you wouldn't. Putting words into the mouths of people that have no information on this is a pretty careless thing to do. Did I say "careless"? I meant STUPID!

You may fancy yourself a lawyer, but you prove every time you post that you're a FOOL!

The Nic is DEAD! Just wait and see! Be as angry as you want. You'll pay your dues like everyone else on this property.

 

[Claxon]

"Just a touch of colonial formality.'

I know Mike is still working for america west. How about eddie chandler. Keep watching the video you will see eddie help mike recruit scabs. Those america west pilots hate working their way up, they are much smarter than you and want to bypass that pesky tenure requirement that most human beings abide by.

 

[Claxon]

You are a former Mesa/ TWA pilot. How could you ever think you deserve better than date of hire? What is your reasoning behind this? The america west pilots are 100 percent for the nic, the East pilots are 100 percent against it. This is obviously not natures way.

hello?

 

[Claxon]

UAL CAL seniority update.

"The first week of Integrated Seniority List Arbitration hearings is scheduled for April 15-20 at the Mandarin Oriental Hotel,1330 Maryland Avenue SW, Washington, DC. This hotel is located just a short walk from L'Enfant Plaza (which is also a hub for the Metro trains). Hearings are scheduled to extend for nine hours each day and will likely begin each day at 9 a.m. and end by 6 p.m., with up to a 90-minute break for lunch. Signage will be posted in the hotel entry and/or lobby to direct members to the hearing room for that day.

All hearings will be open to pilots and their families.

A webpage dedicated to the ISL process and information pertaining to the arbitration hearings has been established."

Steve Gillen UAL and Jim Brucia CAL were pilot "neutrals" in the US Airways, awa merger for alpa. Gillen was for slotting and Brucia was for longevity. Watch these alpa boys become hypocrites when it pertains to their future.

I am sure the US Airways pilots would volunteer to be pilot neutrals if asked by the UAL, CAL pilots. They could save money and have just one arbiter for their integration, alpa's new policy is three or just one arbiter if the pilots agree. I wonder what they will choose?

 

[Claxon]

Well if they do not like the result of arbitration, they could always use UAL pilot Rice or CAL pilot Prater to officiate things. This safety net was available to the US Airways pilots during a pending UAL, US Airways merger during that time. USAPA was voted in and that merger was called off, how ironic.

 

[FL430]

UAL CAL seniority update.

"The first week of Integrated Seniority List Arbitration hearings is scheduled for April 15-20 at the Mandarin Oriental Hotel,1330 Maryland Avenue SW, Washington, DC. This hotel is located just a short walk from L'Enfant Plaza (which is also a hub for the Metro trains). Hearings are scheduled to extend for nine hours each day and will likely begin each day at 9 a.m. and end by 6 p.m., with up to a 90-minute break for lunch. Signage will be posted in the hotel entry and/or lobby to direct members to the hearing room for that day.

All hearings will be open to pilots and their families.

A webpage dedicated to the ISL process and information pertaining to the arbitration hearings has been established."

Steve Gillen UAL and Jim Brucia CAL were pilot "neutrals" in the US Airways, awa merger for alpa. Gillen was for slotting and Brucia was for longevity. Watch these alpa boys become hypocrites when it pertains to their future.

I am sure the US Airways pilots would volunteer to be pilot neutrals if asked by the UAL, CAL pilots. They could save money and have just one arbiter for their integration, alpa's new policy is three or just one arbiter if the pilots agree. I wonder what they will choose?

Better yet why don't we give good old George Nic a call and see if they want him to arbitrate this! He has probably been blackballed since the US/AWA fiasco he created. Come to think of it - Just what has he done since our arbitration, anything?