April/May 2013 Pilot Discussion

[flyer63]

Try all the angles?

So intentionally wasting money, delaying a contract and doing whatever it takes to avoid your responsibilities is acceptable with you?

Between the two cases usapa had 10 lawyers working but could not manage to make any of the deadlines in Arizona.

Will you feel the same way when APA is spending your money irresponsibly?

Read the transcripts. Leonidas published them yesterday unlike usapa. They did not cover that angle.

Usapa was the only one in the room delaying the merger and avoiding the answer.

The UCC, AMR, US Airways and the west all want this finished. Why is usapa the only one that does not want a court to decide?

Everyone in that courtroom said it was ripe. The one person that looked foolish was the usapa lawyer. Everyone else was on the same page except him. The rest of the players know what usapa is about now. Delay! That will come to an end.

Try all the angles?

So intentionally wasting money, delaying a contract and doing whatever it takes to avoid your responsibilities is acceptable with you?

Between the two cases usapa had 10 lawyers working but could not manage to make any of the deadlines in Arizona.

Will you feel the same way when APA is spending your money irresponsibly?

Read the transcripts. Leonidas published them yesterday unlike usapa. They did not cover that angle.

Usapa was the only one in the room delaying the merger and avoiding the answer.

The UCC, AMR, US Airways and the west all want this finished. Why is usapa the only one that does not want a court to decide?

Everyone in that courtroom said it was ripe. The one person that looked foolish was the usapa lawyer. Everyone else was on the same page except him. The rest of the players know what usapa is about now. Delay! That will come to an end.

Absolutely ok, you gave up rights to have an opinion, when you took the legal route. Remember when you walked out at Wye?. At that point each side hired the best attorneys they could find and will continue to do what is best for their clients to win.

 

[nevergiveup]

Yeah read that......funny thing is Seeham got LCC out of Addington I when he suggested and LCC agreed to expedited arbitration over a few issues in the original complaint that could be resolved with the system board.

Frankly, I see why they would throw this out there hoping the judge does not get the nuance that minor disputes are between the union and the company and not the scab union and it's membership.

Not a minor dispute..and will be resolved in federal court where DFR cases are heard.


Hey...BTW...I thought you east guys were doin pretty good...I mean like a whole 3 or 4 months without damaging an A/C...but I hear you dragged another tail in LAS...and in a brand new airplane.....

I wonder what the break even point for the company is by saving with LOA93 wages, but letting you folks tear up all the airplanes and losing revenue every time a hull goes off line for the repair work?

Her lack of experience shines!

 

[Claxon]

Could you even imagine what the HR department at AA is thinking when they read Metroyet and Res Judicata posts?

 

[luvthe9]

Could you even imagine what the HR department at AA is thinking when they read Metroyet and Res Judicata posts?

What the heck can we do to shed the west? That girl is nuts.

 

[cleardirect]

Could you even imagine what the HR department at AA is thinking when they read Metroyet and Res Judicata posts?

Good thing you don't work here. I think the AA HR would have a real problem with your whacko posts.

 

[cleardirect]

What the heck can we do to shed the west? That girl is nuts.

Still banging that drum? The west is not getting spun off.

Is there a single state,net anywhere from Parker, the UCC, AMR any one even hinting that the west will be sold off?

Now read the transcripts from judge Lane. Did any one hint at a three way? Did anyone even mention DOH? No the discussion was about the Nicolau. You know that list you keep incorrectly saying is dead and gone. It is very much alive.

Read closely. The east west dispute needs to be finished before we get to the US Airways American merger.

Court is the only place for that. Everyone wants this done but usapa. Why is that? What is usapa trying to avoid other than e Nicolau?

 

[luvthe9]

Read closely. The east west dispute needs to be finished before we get to the US Airways American merger.

It is finished, most west pilots realize that, time to move on son. How many times does the court have to tell you it's done.

 

[cleardirect]

It is finished, most west pilots realize that, time to move on son. How many times does the court have to tell you it's done.

The court has never said it is done. The court has said it is not ripe. Way different things.

The court has said you need a LUP to use something other than the Nicolau. A court or the company has yet to determine if usapa has one. So far usapa has not published an ?UP.

Yes it is time to move on. Using the a Nicolau like we should have 5 years ago.

Now if usapa would stop hiding behind ripeness and let the court tell you for sure final and binding is final and binding we can move on. The rest of the players what an answer. Why is usapa the only one delaying?

Is it because usapa knows the answer? That they are wrong and just avoiding the inevitable.

 

[Phoenix]

https://vimeo.com/4421115

Goat shoap!

 

[Phoenix]

This minor dispute you are guaranteeing. Will usapa pay for the arbitration, provide competent legal representation and fully support the west position of using the Nicolau?

Can you also guarantee that it will be arbitrated in less then 2 years? How long has it taken usapa to arbitrate the ACARS grievance?

Will Scamanski the lawyer arguing against the west now be the lawyer for the west arguing for the west at arbitration?


Sure!

Federal court is the only place for this DFR. Besides the company might get released from the law suit. Usapa will not.

Would a 98% vote absolve the company of any wrong doing? Ok, i agree. And it's a good thing that USAPA consented to a good thing with the company instead of continuing on its attempt to get the company to agree to a DFR through collusion.

 

[nevergiveup]

The court has never said it is done. The court has said it is not ripe. Way different things.

The court has said you need a LUP to use something other than the Nicolau. A court or the company has yet to determine if usapa has one. So far usapa has not published an ?UP.

Yes it is time to move on. Using the a Nicolau like we should have 5 years ago.

Now if usapa would stop hiding behind ripeness and let the court tell you for sure final and binding is final and binding we can move on. The rest of the players what an answer. Why is usapa the only one delaying?

Is it because usapa knows the answer? That they are wrong and just avoiding the inevitable.

The court has never said it is done. The court has said it is not ripe. Way different things.

The court has said you need a LUP to use something other than the Nicolau. A court or the company has yet to determine if usapa has one. So far usapa has not published an ?UP.

Yes it is time to move on. Using the a Nicolau like we should have 5 years ago.

Now if usapa would stop hiding behind ripeness and let the court tell you for sure final and binding is final and binding we can move on. The rest of the players what an answer. Why is usapa the only one delaying?

Is it because usapa knows the answer? That they are wrong and just avoiding the inevitable.

If we can negotiate a jcba and ratify it prior to the por, then I think the Nicolau list will be it. Or if the merger fails, then it may still happen. But you voted for the MOU and the odds are the merger will happen. You might not get such a windfall, but you should still be in good shape, depending on how APA wants to handle things.

 

[Res Judicata]

If we can negotiate a jcba and ratify it prior to the por, then I think the Nicolau list will be it. Or if the merger fails, then it may still happen. But you voted for the MOU and the odds are the merger will happen. You might not get such a windfall, but you should still be in good shape, depending on how APA wants to handle things.

You guys. crack me up. Your refusal to believe that the MOU addresses the East West situation IN NO WAY. It's allegedly "neutral" remember? The law however isn't neutral. This is on the fast track to resolution. Nothing you do will stop it. Justice will be served this time. The APA will handle the situation according to the Law, their DFR, and recognizing. There never was an LUP to evade the Nic, they will simply adopt it. Feel free to organize and sue. Perhaps the damage you fear from the Nic won't be so bad. You'll have to wait until you're actually harmed though. I'd say LOA93 for 6 EXTRA YEARS is harm but that's not my problem.

 

[nevergiveup]

You guys. crack me up. Your refusal to believe that the MOU addresses the East West situation IN NO WAY. It's allegedly "neutral" remember? The law however isn't neutral. This is on the fast track to resolution. Nothing you do will stop it. Justice will be served this time. The APA will handle the situation according to the Law, their DFR, and recognizing. There never was an LUP to evade the Nic, they will simply adopt it. Feel free to organize and sue. Perhaps the damage you fear from the Nic won't be so bad. You'll have to wait until you're actually harmed though. I'd say LOA93 for 6 EXTRA YEARS is harm but that's not my problem.

Can't legally do the Nic. Sorry Charlie! You voted an alternative. time to move on.

 

[electricjet98]

If we can negotiate a jcba and ratify it prior to the por, then I think the Nicolau list will be it. Or if the merger fails, then it may still happen. But you voted for the MOU and the odds are the merger will happen. You might not get such a windfall, but you should still be in good shape, depending on how APA wants to handle things.

Can you show me where the MOU says we'll be ratifying anything? I see negotiate...then binding arbitration for any open items. The only ratification for the LCC pilots is done...it was the MOU. This summer you will see why 98% of west pilots voted in favor of the MOU.

 

[cleardirect]

Can't legally do the Nic. Sorry Charlie! You voted an alternative. time to move on.

Quote the law or court order that says it is not the Nicolau legally.

We all voted for a new contract. Not a new seniority list.

Agreed time to move on. Time to accept the arbitrated list and move on to the next merger.