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Not wasted. Not deprived.

You sure? You and your bunch certainly sound pretty wasted of late, and as always, deprived/victimized/etc, ad nauseum. Oh Well...What can that matter to rough-and-tough "spartans"? 😉

Btw: Would it be fair to read "not even close to being finished" as something of of a "Tell"? I mean; aren't you supposed to already be enjoying the fruits of yet another great victory? Doesn't the MOU, coupled with AOL's inestimable brilliance, magically hand you your nic any moment now? When IS that scheduled for anyway?...? 🙂
 
That's an awful lot of desperation there, Cupcake. Not fleeced. Not in debt. Not wasted. Not deprived. Well funded & not even close to being finished. Standing FIRMLY on legal, moral, ethical and logical high ground (17 lawyers & a judge in the room: Everyone pretty much gets it). The nonsense started when you decided that you could try to cheat us. SYIC Luvr.
Yea, those lawyers get it, alright. They don't even know why the case wasn't ripe after "13 years". I guess i'd be on here trying to convince myself and others that I hadn't wasted all of their cash a,d all the things they could have dome with it, like paying for college for their kids and putting more into their retirements. No, POUNDCAKE, it's YOU that don't have a clue! (POUNDCAKE is an appropriate name for you, since that's what you're constantly doing, pounding your.....)
 
That's an awful lot of desperation there, Cupcake.
Not desperation Dave just common sense which at this time I think you are lacking, Marty is bleeding you guys dry we know you owe a huge sum of money to his firm and for what. I'll say again you guys will be fine in the long run, be patient, a few more years most of us including myself will be long gone.
 
Seems to me that it accomplished exactly what they wanted. AOL and their useless lawyers can't interfere with the merger without being in contempt of court.

What else do you think they were trying to do?
Obviously fool you.

This is what usapa requested.


REQUEST FOR RELIEF

WHEREFORE, USAPA prays that this Court:

1. Grant judgment in favor of USAPA and (1) declare that Leonidas and the Nine

Pilot Plaintiffs have impermissibly interfered with the Bankruptcy Court’s jurisdiction and

mandate; (2) declare that the threatened action to enjoin the Merger and the subsequently filed

Arizona Action violate the automatic stay embodied in 11 U.S.C. § 362(a)(3); (3) preliminarily

and permanently enjoin Defendants from interfering with the Bankruptcy Court’s jurisdiction

over the Debtors’ chapter 11 cases and the Merger by threatening to enjoin the Merger, by

prosecuting the claims asserted in the Arizona Action, threatening to file a temporary restraining

order, prosecuting a motion for a preliminary injunction, or taking any other such action that

interferes with the Merger; and (4) extend the automatic stay, to the extent necessary.

2. Award USAPA the costs it incurs in pursuing this case, including its attorneys’

fees;


What did usapa get?

None of it.

Show me the order that you say would get the west contempt of court?

Was usapa awarded fees like they asked?

Did judge Lane issue a permanent injunction?

Did you miss the part where judge Lane said he was inclined to stay or dismiss the worthless suit?

But if it makes you feel better that we agreed to do something we were never going to do. So be it. But not a win. Usapa got nothing except kicked out of the BK court.

Did you miss the part where usapa has to stipulate also? Was that something usapa asked for?
 
Obviously fool you.

This is what usapa requested.


REQUEST FOR RELIEF

WHEREFORE, USAPA prays that this Court:

1. Grant judgment in favor of USAPA and (1) declare that Leonidas and the Nine

Pilot Plaintiffs have impermissibly interfered with the Bankruptcy Court’s jurisdiction and

mandate; (2) declare that the threatened action to enjoin the Merger and the subsequently filed

Arizona Action violate the automatic stay embodied in 11 U.S.C. § 362(a)(3); (3) preliminarily

and permanently enjoin Defendants from interfering with the Bankruptcy Court’s jurisdiction

over the Debtors’ chapter 11 cases and the Merger by threatening to enjoin the Merger, by

prosecuting the claims asserted in the Arizona Action, threatening to file a temporary restraining

order, prosecuting a motion for a preliminary injunction, or taking any other such action that

interferes with the Merger; and (4) extend the automatic stay, to the extent necessary.

2. Award USAPA the costs it incurs in pursuing this case, including its attorneys’

fees;


What did usapa get?

None of it.

Show me the order that you say would get the west contempt of court?

Was usapa awarded fees like they asked?

Did judge Lane issue a permanent injunction?

Did you miss the part where judge Lane said he was inclined to stay or dismiss the worthless suit?

But if it makes you feel better that we agreed to do something we were never going to do. So be it. But not a win. Usapa got nothing except kicked out of the BK court.

Did you miss the part where usapa has to stipulate also? Was that something usapa asked for?
You are done here. What did Seigel file this week ?Can you say MINOR DISPUTE? Metroyet tried to spin this, but the company just aced you by you guys signing the MOU. Now the company is turning on the West pilots for the deal. Game is over for the Nic. Big business triumphs over everyone.
 
You are done here. What did Seigel file this week ?Can you say MINOR DISPUTE?

So usapa would have defended the Nicolau at an arbitration if the west had filed a grievance?

Is "minor dispute" how DFRs are settled?

Read up on the RLA.

 
You are done here. What did Seigel file this week ?Can you say MINOR DISPUTE?

Yeah read that......funny thing is Seeham got LCC out of Addington I when he suggested and LCC agreed to expedited arbitration over a few issues in the original complaint that could be resolved with the system board.

Frankly, I see why they would throw this out there hoping the judge does not get the nuance that minor disputes are between the union and the company and not the scab union and it's membership.

Not a minor dispute..and will be resolved in federal court where DFR cases are heard.


Hey...BTW...I thought you east guys were doin pretty good...I mean like a whole 3 or 4 months without damaging an A/C...but I hear you dragged another tail in LAS...and in a brand new airplane.....

I wonder what the break even point for the company is by saving with LOA93 wages, but letting you folks tear up all the airplanes and losing revenue every time a hull goes off line for the repair work?
 
So usapa would have defended the Nicolau at an arbitration if the west had filed a grievance?

Is "minor dispute" how DFRs are settled?

Read up on the RLA.

Parker and Kirby betrayed you with that filing. I guarantee this is going the minor dispute avenue. You have got to feel betrayed, but then again you fell for the MOU hook line and sinker. I never got that 98% vote. They are going to use that on you now, entirely the opposite outcome Metroyet forcast. Exactly the opposite. I guess he is trying to cover for Posinelli Schugart.
 
Yeah read that......funny thing is Seeham got LCC out of Addington I when he suggested and LCC agreed to expedited arbitration over a few issues in the original complaint that could be resolved with the system board.

Frankly, I see why they would throw this out there hoping the judge does not get the nuance that minor disputes are between the union and the company and not the scab union and it's membership.

Not a minor dispute..and will be resolved in federal court where DFR cases are heard.


Hey...BTW...I thought you east guys were doin pretty good...I mean like a whole 3 or 4 months without damaging an A/C...but I hear you dragged another tail in LAS...and in a brand new airplane.....

I wonder what the break even point for the company is by saving with LOA93 wages, but letting you folks tear up all the airplanes and losing revenue every time a hull goes off line for the repair work?
Low blow Nic. Classless.
 
Low blow Nic. Classless.

"Seniority is like crew meals".

We don't have either....but we can steal it from the West!


Don't lecture me on low blows you usapa supporting, RICO filing, scab union organizing, POS.

Nobody was hurt, other than their pride and there was a time I would have sympathized with that crew...but being the tail they dragged was probably an original AWA aircraft
order...I am thinking....too funny.
 
Parker and Kirby betrayed you with that filing. I guarantee this is going the minor dispute avenue. You have got to feel betrayed, but then again you fell for the MOU hook line and sinker. I never got that 98% vote. They are going to use that on you now, entirely the opposite outcome Metroyet forcast. Exactly the opposite. I guess he is trying to cover for Posinelli Schugart.
This minor dispute you are guaranteeing. Will usapa pay for the arbitration, provide competent legal representation and fully support the west position of using the Nicolau?

Can you also guarantee that it will be arbitrated in less then 2 years? How long has it taken usapa to arbitrate the ACARS grievance?

Will Scamanski the lawyer arguing against the west now be the lawyer for the west arguing for the west at arbitration?


Sure!

Federal court is the only place for this DFR. Besides the company might get released from the law suit. Usapa will not.
 
"Seniority is like crew meals".

We don't have either....but we can steal it from the West!


Don't lecture me on low blows you usapa supporting, RICO filing, scab union organizing, POS.

Nobody was hurt, other than their pride and there was a time I would have sympathized with that crew...but being the tail they dragged was probably an original AWA aircraft
order...I am thinking....too funny.

Psychotic and demented rationalization. One would imagine AA HR is cringing knowing all their psychotic rejects are coming in the back door.
 
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