AUG/SEPT 2012 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Phoenix]

Never mind, I got the answer.

Silver asked USAPA to write a proposed order that grants usapa their motion for summary judgment, denies USAPA motion for discovery and denies the Addington class their motion for summary judgment and dissolves Addington class.

Prediction:

AOL appeals (appeal by right, as they should and maybe joined by company)

AOL asks appeals court for temporary stay of the order (denied)

AOL asks appeals court for oral argument (denied)

AOL looses appeal.

AOL asks appeals court for En Banc ruling (denied)

AOL applies for certiorari to the SCOTUS (cert. denied)

Closure? That's yet to be seen but extremely LONG LONG ODDS when suing US Airways and USAPA/APA. Good luck.

Looks like a reasonable prediction of courses of action available to the West. If a merger is in the works, somehow I don't think the company will be willing to wait, and it doesn't appear it will be necessary for them to do so.

 

[nic4us]

Punted, then USAPA ran it into the end zone, again.

After catching the ball out of bounds.....then they paraded around the end zone in an idiotic victory dance thinking they scored.

somebody really needs to tell the scab the rules to the game.

 

[nic4us]

Aw, I feel so sorry for the company. B.S. They knew what they were doing all the time.

Yep....

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

She can't indemnify the company. If a JCBA is ever reached then AOL has to sue at least one of the parties (either USAPA/APA or LCC, but usually both) BUT must prove both: LCC breeched the contract AND USAPA/APA failed in their DFR. That's why its called a "Hybrid 301/ DFR claim.

http://www.berrymoor...ybrid-secti.php

Even more likely then ADDINGTON I.

I hope they appeal (for closure and because its a cheap date at this point) so we can move on to more important things than name calling and insults.

See you at the CLT meeting tomorrow.

See ya there, They will appeal, and it will BTW get tossed, the 9th won't even take it, the door will quickly shut and there continued lawsuits will force AA once they emerge standalone from BK and make a run at USAIRWAYS to sell the WEST off to capture the synergy and avoid litigation from a non- revenue productive piece of the puzzle! MM!

 

[Phoenix]

Debacle? You mean the Addington case that the West got usapa pinned to the ground on?

'We have destroyed 2 tanks, fighter planes, 2 helicopters and their shovels - We have driven them back."​

 

[Phoenix]

After catching the ball out of bounds.....then they paraded around the end zone in an idiotic victory dance thinking they scored.

somebody really needs to tell the scab the rules to the game.

"These cowards have no morals. They have no shame about lying"​

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Aw, I feel so sorry for the company. B.S. They knew what they were doing all the time.

Amen, they get "WAKE" to excuse them, Then they file this BS, and get an answer they need to appeal? Yea right,!

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Hate to say it, but you guys got warned years ago about this. USAPA is not beholden to ALPA and the Nic. There is no gun here. Just the one you and others imagine. Time for you to get real about what you want to do going into a merger with AMR. Seeing there are just two lists now. Your choice. None of us are worried about all those empty threats you conjured up because you didn't understand any of this. Not my problem. What are you going to do now??? Nobody is buying any of it anymore just because you guys seem to now disregard two Federal Courts, and a Federal Appeals court. Unbelievable denial.

POST OF THE DAY!

 

[end_of_alpa]

Yep....

Look, I'm not trying to dig or in anyway gloat, because in reality we have all lost in the long run that has all of us carrying deep running scars. But my only question, and you can think about this for awhile and are certainly not compelled to answer, but do you ever think that a time for you and maybe for your West co-workers that this financial contribution and support you have for AOL most likely is good money after bad and needs to end? Just maybe an honest answer for an honest question.

 

[end_of_alpa]

See ya there, They will appeal, and it will BTW get tossed, the 9th won't even take it, the door will quickly shut and there continued lawsuits will force AA once they emerge standalone from BK and make a run at USAIRWAYS to sell the WEST off to capture the synergy and avoid litigation from a non- revenue productive piece of the puzzle! MM!

If they file the appeal correctly, which I'm sure they know how to do, then the 9th HAS to hear it, it is APPEAL BY RIGHT.

 

[Piedmont1984]

" Counsel for USAPA reiterated that USAPA was prepared to engage in serious, genuine discussions with the West Pilots over the seniority proposal,..."

Any ideas what exactly this may mean?

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

If they file the appeal correctly, which I'm sure they know how to do, then the 9th HAS to hear it, it is APPEAL BY RIGHT.

A QUICK toss! Compared to the "WAKE DEBACLE! As your predictions so have it !

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

" Counsel for USAPA reiterated that USAPA was prepared to engage in serious, genuine discussions with the West Pilots over the seniority proposal,..."

Any ideas what exactly this may mean?

Didn't USAPA when the company first filed this lawsuit , under CLEARY offer some HIGH powered Negotiators to broker a settlement and SILVER said, not necessary? MM I think it was mentioned in a meeting between ferguson and cleary!

 

[Hate2fly]

" Counsel for USAPA reiterated that USAPA was prepared to engage in serious, genuine discussions with the West Pilots over the seniority proposal,..."

Any ideas what exactly this may mean?

George Mitchell

 

[Piedmont1984]

Didn't USAPA when the company first filed this lawsuit , under CLEARY offer some HIGH powered Negotiators to broker a settlement and SILVER said, not necessary? MM I think it was mentioned in a meeting between ferguson and cleary!

That's right. Cleary met with Ferguson, offered the possibility of some sort of compromise and Ferguson declined.

If the east is willing to revisit this, and a mechanism could be established where the west can represent and negotiate on behalf of itself we could kill two birds - the Nic and the DFR.