AUG/SEPT 2012 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[nic4us]

"...nor was he added to the east's list."

Is it not the direct intent of the nic to immediately position him/her to enter the east domiciles with the 2 day = 850 numbers instant boost? Ya' just gotta' fairly admit that moving up (within any combined list) 425 numbers a day is just a wee bit severe......

No...absolutely false...

The intent of the Nic is to immediately position him/her to hold the exact same position s/he held the day before the arbitration and or merger at the combined airline.

Now explain to the crowd the "intent" of the usapa DOH seniority theft scam.

And again, there is no 850 number boost...lets use Odell's number instead. he was number 1827, on the Nic he is 4769, did he lose 2942 numbers? Meanwhile scab Colello was number 2943 and on the Nic he is 4770, by jetjoke's math he only lost 1827 numbers and received a windfall being place just one number below the guy who lost 2942 or over a 1100 more numbers.

 

[fifidriver]

Relative seniority works well with similar aged groups, but not with young ones and old farts like us.

Why not? Is that because of the intransigence of old age, or are you really trying to make up career deficiencies off of the backs of others in a communistic, social security sort of way?

 

[EastUS1]

Wow. Posting and quoting yourself. Then you are disappointed that you get few comments. I guess you think you wrote a masterpiece with that overworded drivel. Like I said, BS to the max. Get over yourself.

By no means. I was merely amused that the obscene levels of infantile self indulgence, continuosly exhibited by such as yourself and the other devout worshippers of St. Nic, extended so far as to demonstrate complete contempt for even the philosophy of Thomas Jefferson. Seriously...words just fail me there.

 

[EastUS1]

Why not? Is that because of the intransigence of old age, or are you really trying to make up career deficiencies off of the backs of others in a communistic, social security sort of way?

I can't speak for others, but I'm more of the mindset that even the most disgusting little punks to ever be found anywhere should always be afforded the opportunity to learn the value of actually earning rewards as they make their way through life.

 

[fatherabraham]

Tell us what on this board hasn't been said repeatedly.

traitor,

Here's one : that you are NOT a traitor

FA

 

[nic4us]

Relative seniority works well with similar aged groups, but not with young ones and old farts like us.

It does not matter if the pilot put in front of you is 1 month younger or 10 years younger, s/he is younger.

While the West has some relatively young people, in general there is not a great disparity in our ages particularly in the top 1/2 of the lists.

The point being is you are asking West pilots who are on average probably something like 3 years younger to step aside for basically the remainder of their career so that you can have it. Frankly, no 54 year old West pilot is going to forfeit their position to a 1000 54 to 58 year old east guys in the hopes that they can get their position back in 10 years just in time for their own retirement.

 

[EastUS1]

The intent of the Nic is to immediately position him/her to hold the exact same position s/he held the day before the arbitration and or merger at the combined airline.

Fine. Keep in mind that, by definition, that same position was in PHX...and we have an agreement. 😉

 

[fifidriver]

...I think it best to leave further debate here on "...who likes to twist history" to the readers.

Ok... I'll put in my two cents. It's you, without question. I'd have to go back and check, but wasn't it you that first compared the East's evasion of binding arbitration to the Boston "Tea Party" and the American Revolution when East actions were cited as "dishonorable"?

 

[EastUS1]

Still hung up on the t-shirts. Yet he calls us infantile.

Seriously?...Printing up frikkin' T-shirts proclaiming your/an entire group's magically fantasized and entirely self-ascribed "Integrity"?? Hey!..Look at me mommy!..I have Integrity!...See my T-shirt!? One couldn't make that up as believable behavior for anything beyond the high school level...at the very most. Given that it's your bunch printing and prancing around in them..well...It's imposible not to accurately observe the "maturity" levels involved therein.

 

[EastUS1]

Ok... I'll put in my two cents. It's you, without question. I'd have to go back and check, but wasn't it you that first compared the East's evasion of binding arbitration to the Boston "Tea Party" and the American Revolution when East actions were cited as "dishonorable"?

This is merely a labor squabble, and hardly equates to overthrowing a government, but let's examine it from a purely philosophical perspective. "Breaking agreements" clearly isn't so sacrosanct nor inherently evil in all cases as your bunch would so love to believe. Go ahead and argue otherwise. Your two cents is on the line here. 😉

 

[BoeingBoy]

Seriously...words just fail me there.

One can hope twas true but you haven't run out of useless rhetoric yet...

Jim

 

[EastUS1]

One can hope twas true but you haven't run out of useless rhetoric yet...

Jim

Don't pout Jim. Here's a reply to your post, which constitutes some attention to you. Have a good day.

 

[nevergiveup]

It does not matter if the pilot put in front of you is 1 month younger or 10 years younger, s/he is younger.

While the West has some relatively young people, in general there is not a great disparity in our ages particularly in the top 1/2 of the lists.

The point being is you are asking West pilots who are on average probably something like 3 years younger to step aside for basically the remainder of their career so that you can have it. Frankly, no 54 year old West pilot is going to forfeit their position to a 1000 54 to 58 year old east guys in the hopes that they can get their position back in 10 years just in time for their own retirement.

Answers available in 2-3 years.

 

[fifidriver]

This is merely a labor squabble, and hardly equates to overthrowing a government, but let's examine it from a purely philosophical perspective. "Breaking agreements" clearly isn't so sacrosanct nor inherently evil in all cases as your bunch would so love to believe. Go ahead and argue otherwise. Your two cents is on the line here. 😉

Sorry, I don't have the time today for an extended philosophical discussion. I agree with your above assessment of the relative import of our squabble and the birth of our nation. My original point was that there is absolutely no comparison between the actions of the East and the actions of American colonists.
Theirs was a case of "taxation without representation" unilaterally imposed upon them by the British parliament, not an agreement between principals. The revolution was the colonist's response to the culmination of a series of events, e.g., the stamp act, the quartering act, the tea tax, and a bunch of others that I cannot recall off the top of my head. Again, unilaterally imposed upon them.
Your comparison would be better suited to the relationship between a company and it's pilots.

With respect to the "breaking of agreements" becoming less and less "sacrosanct" and "inherently evil", I believe that is a symptom of the de-evolution of our society and does not bode well for our country's future.

Sorry, I have to run. Keep the two cents. Have a great day.

 

[EastUS1]

Theirs was a case of "taxation without representation" unilaterally imposed upon them by the British parliament, not an agreement between principals. The revolution was the colonist's response to the culmination of a series of events, e.g., the stamp act, the quartering act, the tea tax, and a bunch of others that I cannot recall off the top of my head. Again, unilaterally imposed upon them.

With respect to the "breaking of agreements" becoming less and less "sacrosanct" and "inherently evil", I believe that is a symptom of the de-evolution of our society and does not bode well for our country's future.

Sorry, I have to run. Keep the two cents. Have a great day.

A fine reply and thanks for that. This would be enjoyable discussion to persue at length I'd think, but I'm also needing to bail soon, so please excuse the brevity of this response as well.

To address the idea of an agreement between principals: Such could arguably be perceived as existent, and indeed implicit from birth, within the general duties of citizenship for any loyal subjects of the Crown. If that's considered at all unreasonable (which I believe it is in the colonists' case) then I'd further offer that no such agreement inherently existed between the average line pilot and their attending and compulsory "Crown", ie the alpa regime. My apoligies as that's far too short an answer and much is left out for time here.

Have a good one as well.