AUG/SEPT 2012 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Move2CLT]

You're welcome...but...I'm now guessing you really won't actually be needing any immediate help with the furniture for your, umm... "Move2CLT"...? 😉

And do take heart. We all know that "The Great and Powerful OzAOL has the situation well in hand!" 😉 and I personally promise to "Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain"......although it might be gently suggested that you start doing so. 😉

PS: Speaking of OzAOL: I haven't seen any exciting updates as of yet. It certainly can't be at all possible that they're having even the slightest difficulty with spinning this latest into yet another "righteous" and awesome "victory"....can it? 🙂

Calm down there you old f'er.

You'll be retired on LOA93 before this is down and I'll be out on Lake Norman in a couple of years.

Keep your spin going boys, its all you got.

Nothing has changed. You're still on LOA93 and no where near getting off of it.

 

[nic4us]

Well, even though you know full well that comment was targeted to the east pilots who have earned every term of disdain imaginable, for you I will apologize for that term and would edit it out if possible.

However, that notwithstanding, I would have no hesitation to work during a USAPA called strike. So many here have greenlighted (or codified) the concept of situational ethics, who am I to object?

No worries Luvn...according to PiBrat you would not be scabbing if you were flying West metal....you know...separate ops and all, and if it became "convenient" for the company to violate east min fleet and move airplanes West during that strike...no biggie, those would then be West airplanes so..you would be bringing your own airplane to the party, so no definition of scab there..

 

[nic4us]

Bullshit. In case you weren't aware, US Airways had more A/C on order at the time of the merger than America West. Weren't all those orders redone many times? Whine to Doug. Your stupid rants about "scabs" and "theft" undermine any reasonable argument you make.

Hey, I am not trying to be reasonable.

I am just pointing out the facts, and the facts are usapa is a scab union that has stolen and wishes to steal West pilot positions at LCC.

 

[Phoenix]

Here is another fact for you....there are east pilots flying IAE powered America West orders that the east has taken delivery of, and from what I understand you getting more next year, so you have stolen not only jobs, but aircraft as well.

I have no idea if previous West orders are coming East, but everyone knows there are no net increases to East aircraft as DUI has said many time that the 737 is being parked 1 for 1 as they get new Airbi.

On the other hand we DO know that there is a net increase of West crews flying routes formerly done by East crews.

Be that as it may, none of you points are getting us closer to a ratification vote and moving on. Cheerio.

 

[nic4us]

So, with West pilots on furlough, your plan is to fly a couple of "99" hour months to help pay for a "nice" Christmas?! <_<


seajay

Man did that go over you head.

 

[Phoenix]

Hey, I am not trying to be reasonable.

I am just pointing out the facts, and the facts are usapa is a scab union that has stolen and wishes to steal West pilot positions at LCC.

You need to work harder.. many of your scab spotter constituents aren't as active as they used to be in you action committee. You need to rally your base. Hit the trails, sound the alarm, rally the troops, circle the wagons and all that.

 

[Pi brat]

Hey, I am not trying to be reasonable.

I am just pointing out the facts, and the facts are usapa is a scab union that has stolen and wishes to steal West pilot positions at LCC.

The only fact you have proven is that you are an idiot.

 

[nic4us]

I have no idea if previous West orders are coming East, but everyone knows there are no net increases to East aircraft as DUI has said many time that the 737 is being parked 1 for 1 as they get new Airbi.

{b]On the other hand we DO know that there is a net increase of West crews flying routes formerly done by East crews.{/b]

Be that as it may, none of you points are getting us closer to a ratification vote and moving on. Cheerio.

Actually, we do not know this. what we know is that the company went and looked during the TA-10 grievance for cover. Further, your post is an outright lie.....they did not say flying "routes formerly done by east crews" they said "could be considered traditionally east routes". Like PHX-PHL "could be considered traditionally east".

None of my points are getting us closer???? Seriously Phoenix, none of anybody's point are getting us any closer. usapa is parked and a joint contract ain't coming until the east is ready to accept a Nic inclusive contract.

Cheerios....do you have General Mills permission to use their trademark as a salutation??

 

[nic4us]

Bullshit. In case you weren't aware, US Airways had more A/C on order at the time of the merger than America West. Weren't all those orders redone many times? Whine to Doug. Your stupid rants about "scabs" and "theft" undermine any reasonable argument you make.

Well I know the east's were,,,because as Parker said so unquestionably....US Airways was going to liquidate. Good thing they had aircraft orders ready in case of liquidation.

 

[jetjok1]

The fact of the matter is the Nic is a "fair and equitable" integration of our two pilot seniority lists.

You are not getting a do over, that is the end of the story.

BTW, my whole argument has nothing to do with you staying on LOA93, that is your choice. I just keep pointing out what a miserable contract it is, while I mention I am on vacation yet once again.



Vacation once again.......well, you've really got something over on me.......NOT! You're miserable contract is a millimeter better than ours.......for what.......6-7 years. I've been here 28........care to compare those other 21-22 years.........oh okay. I didn't think so. Take your stupid arguments and rag on someone else. You PMS worse than my wife. Your NIC is an abomination......fair and equitable......only in your mind.

 

[Pi brat]

It is my understanding that the West is at fleet min and the east is "slightly" above fleet min with the added bonus of a fleet of 190s that do not count in fleet min, in which, there are ironically seats owed the West due to arbitration along with some 757 flying, that are actually being flown by West pilots now recalled east after usapa used the company to steal their West jobs.


"Following up"???? What is that BS. The company started down the collection process road from the West on the distance learning over payment the day after scab Parella dropped the grievance. And, even if they are "following up" where the hell is the min block payment 4 years after the fact?

Pull my head out of my ass??? You do not see the gross discrimination taking place here?

The company decides to furlough in 2008....they need to lay off 300 pilots...so 175 or 10% of the West (that is already at and which is taken below min block) and 125 or less than 3% of the east (that is still above min block), and to add insult, they retain pilots who are by all measures junior to their West counterparts at usapa's request so the scabs can make a statement supporting their seniority theft scam?

If not for the T/A I think the west would have been reduced much more.

 

[Pi brat]

Well I know the east's were,,,because as Parker said so unquestionably....US Airways was going to liquidate. Good thing they had aircraft orders ready in case of liquidation.

And he said that AWA would most likely enter Ch 11. Think you would have still gotten your orders? The merger kept the airplanes coming and Parker didn't do the merger out of the goodness of his heart.

 

[nic4us]

I have no idea if previous West orders are coming East, but everyone knows there are no net increases to East aircraft as DUI has said many time that the 737 is being parked 1 for 1 as they get new Airbi.

On the other hand we DO know that there is a net increase of West crews flying routes formerly done by East crews.

Be that as it may, none of you points are getting us closer to a ratification vote and moving on. Cheerio.

You know,,,now that I think about it,,you are right...there has been an increase of West pilots flying routes formerly done by east crews....those West pilots had their jobs stolen by the usapa scabs and got furloughed, then they took recall east and are now flying routes formerly flown by east crews.

 

[Zone5]

Man did that go over you head.

Perhaps, I guess I should have just stuck to commenting on the part of your post that said you are ready and willing to cross a USAPA picket line and your derogatory reference to the mentally challenged.


seajay

 

[Move2CLT]

And he said that AWA would most likely enter Ch 11. Think you would have still gotten your orders? The merger kept the airplanes coming and Parker didn't do the merger out of the goodness of his heart.

When? A few months down the road? Years? And then how long could we have stayed in bankruptcy. You of all people should know that. Many, many years of floundering as the worst case scenario for us.

You?

Liquidation.