AUG/SEPT 2012 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Pi brat]

For those of you easties that actually use your mental faculties, I'm sure you understand that absolutely nothing changed yesterday. USAPA was just as free to submit their own list a month ago as it is now. All that Silver did yesterday was move the onus onto the company in taking the responsibility for submitting the Nic without the court protecting their decision.

The company knows that they'll have to submit the Nic eventually and would have rather done it with Silver's blessing, but that didn't happen and the frustration on the company's legal team was VERY apparent. They knew the chances of being indemnified were nonexistent and a ruling specifically directing use of the Nic would have made life easier for them.

It didn't happen.

Like I said, nothing has changed. You easties will be on LOA 93 two years from now without a merger. Your only way off is a new contract with the Nic because the company won't accept anything else.

When this final ruling comes out, guess who will file with the 9th asking for an en banc hearing - the company. Expect them, not AOL, to continue the legal process.

And please, if any of you easties would do me a favor, when Claxon and luv are done with their circle-jerk, explain to them what I told you. Im sure it'll be a while before those nit-wits are done with their little session.

And someone tell Dan Davis to go f himself.

Thanks

Someone is grumpy today. I don't know Dan, but what did he do to you that you had to use his full name on here? Classy as usual.

You may be right, the company may appeal. Heck, it's another year of savings. But, what odds do you give of the 9th telling them anything different than Silver or the last time we were all there? If they feel as you say, and I concede that they may, it's time for them to say so.

Too bad you're not in Davidson. It's getting to be my favorite time of year out here. Maybe in 4-5 more years.

 

[Claxon]

"NOTHING HAS CHANGED"

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On Leonidas TV, MOVE2CLT said "Nothing has changed" with reference to Judge Silver today in PHX. Leaving stunned PHX based pilots to ask, if nothing has changed, what was all the court stuff about???

 

[luvthe9]

Did someone ask Boeing Boy if he changed his Judge Silver harm quote on his signature? That is classic! :blush: :blush:
How about that other idiot HP Early and his "binding" Try some Geritol HP, it works wonders for Jim.

 

[nic4us]

The EAST retirements replace the EAST drawdown? Really?

Do not sweat it MM. You will be just fine with your Nic number.

 

[nic4us]

Someone is grumpy today. I don't know Dan, but what did he do to you that you had to use his full name on here? Classy as usual.

You may be right, the company may appeal. Heck, it's another year of savings. But, what odds do you give of the 9th telling them anything different than Silver or the last time we were all there? If they feel as you say, and I concede that they may, it's time for them to say so.

Too bad you're not in Davidson. It's getting to be my favorite time of year out here. Maybe in 4-5 more years.

Dan made an post on an open forum that showed his complete lack of situational awareness, that also highlighted the fact that he is a reneging scab scumbag, I would not even bother telling him Move's message.......we all already know he has F'ed himself.

 

[nic4us]

How about that other idiot HP Early and his "binding" Try some Geritol HP, it works wonders for Jim.

Being that the Nic is the only accepted system seniority list at LCC, and is not going anywhere.......I would say it would still qualify as binding.

get back to us when usapa talks the company into colluding in your "unquestionably ripe" DFR.

til then look for the Nic in a merger SLI or look for the company to appeal Silver if the merger falls through.

 

[nic4us]

Nic4 that PHL JFK logic is just stupid. EWR PHLJFK LGA BWI DCA IAD. All located in massive population centers. All not that far.Each drawing millions of passengers. People in Philly do not drive to NY to fly. It is too much of a hassle. You are clueless about this. Try driving out of PHX to the next metro. By the way. We don't want your hub to close. We don't wish that on anybody.

Hmmmm....now name any major that has a hub in more than two of those.

I can tell you one that won't.....so it will need to downsize PHL.

 

[EastUS1]

I can tell you one that won't.....so it will need to downsize PHL.

Well...no offence, but it must be fairly noted that your predictions haven't been right yet, so I'm thinking I'll choose to not lose any sleep over this latest as well. As for predictions; I must admit that I do find it literally unbelievable that you seem to honestly feel PHX to be not only safe, but destined to grow as well.

No matter, as I'm not wishing anyone out of a job here...although you certainly seem to relish the idea of others' imagined misfortunes more tonight than is even the now-standard case for you. Since "nothing has changed" and all is indeed well out west.......one can only wonder why that is the case....? 😉

Heck! I thought the whole "relative" credo of the west was that nothing in the way of positions/"expectations"/etc was supposed to change anyway. It seems to me that "nothing has changed" should therefore be cause for great rejoicing out your way...no?

 

[luvn737s]

Until and unless the NMB releases the parties to self-help, Management will likely not touch a Non-NIC list for the same reasons they haven't accepted one in the past five years hybrid DFR liability is far too great to be exposed to. I expect status quo of parked negotiations to continue at least until the AA merger is decided once and for all.

Yes I think USAPA should fast track us for release into self help, the sooner the better. A 99 hour month or two will make for a fine Christmas, even if I end up stuck in CLT for a few months.

I'd even support a collection for the east guys, "Toys fer 'tards" (just nothing with sharp edges on it).

 

[EastUS1]

Someone is grumpy today.......

So it seems, and that's indeed most puzzling, especially given that "nothing has changed" 😉

 

[EastUS1]

Yes I think USAPA should fast track us for release into self help, the sooner the better. A 99 hour month or two will make for a fine Christmas, even if I end up stuck in CLT for a few months.

I'd even support a collection for the east guys, "Toys fer 'tards" (just nothing with sharp edges on it).

That's even less coherent than is your general case....An excess of booze tonight sport?

 

[Pi brat]

Yes I think USAPA should fast track us for release into self help, the sooner the better. A 99 hour month or two will make for a fine Christmas, even if I end up stuck in CLT for a few months.

I'd even support a collection for the east guys, "Toys fer 'tards" (just nothing with sharp edges on it).

Nic. I know you have struggled with what a scab really is, but there he is. Back to the debate.

 

[Pi brat]

"Toys fer 'tards"

You are THE Ahole of the day. No year. I hope and pray you never have to deal with a child or loved one with a handicap.

 

[EastUS1]

Nic. I know you have struggled with what a scab really is, but there he is. Back to the debate.

Indeed sir. Now, for some sick laughs; imagine such a sorry excuse for a human being, so ready and eager to scab....strutting around in an "Integrity Matters" T-shirt, and loudly telling the world just how much of "it" he's full of....but I suppose one has to almost feel sorry for anyone with such a cross-threaded and BS-polluted soul.

 

[Pi brat]

Indeed sir. Now, for some sick laughs; imagine such a sorry excuse for a human being, so ready and eager to scab....strutting around in an "Integrity Matters" T-shirt, and loudly telling the world just how much of "it" he's full of....but I suppose one has to almost feel sorry for anyone with such a cross-threaded and BS-polluted soul.

All westies I know personally are top notch people. I have not heard a single one tell me that they would scab. I try to remind myself of that when I read such b.s as luvn spews.