August 2013 Pilot Discussion

[prechilill]

Therein lies the problem, your idea of what's fair to you vs. the rest of the world's idea of what's fair to the whole pilot group.

Is arbitration fair for the pilot group? Yes or no...

 

[prechilill]

East new hire class cancelled... Rumors of the east fall bid to be cancelled... UH OH!

At POR fleet mins and tails go away- only thing left is scheduled block hours. East flying is loaded with 190's with possibly more coming- all which will NOW count in the east min block hours calculation UH OH!

TA Growth flying, stolen by the east, now being rolled into east block hour mins... UH OH!

76s going away, 73s going away... UH OH!

Talk of slot divestures in DCA- all east flying.... UH OH!

Bular, the great Usap enabler and sympathizer, going away next year. UH OH!

You clowns got a lot of UH OHs!

 

[cleardirect]

Therein lies the problem, your idea of what's fair to you vs. the rest of the world's idea of what's fair to the whole pilot group.

Says the guy that voted for an entire union based on "the nic is not fair".

The rest of the world being a very experienced arbitrator , a jury and two federal judges say that the Nicolau is fair.

Of course, in negotiating for a particular seniority regime, USAPA must not breach
its duty of fair representation. Accordingly, if USAPA wishes to abandon the Nicolau Award
and accept the consequences of this course of action, it is free to do so. By discarding the
result of a valid arbitration and negotiating for a different seniority regime, USAPA is
running the risk that it will be sued by the disadvantaged pilots when the new collective
bargaining agreement is finalized. An impartial arbitrator’s decision regarding an
appropriate method of seniority integration is powerful evidence of a fair result. Discarding
the Nicolau Award places USAPA on dangerous ground.

It is you easties ides of what is fair and unfair that has put us all in this position.

 

[cleardirect]

Is arbitration fair for the pilot group? Yes or no...

easties only think it is fair if they get the outcome they want and can control all sides of the argument.

 

[mrbreeze]

Is arbitration fair for the pilot group? Yes or no...

No...it was a windfall for the West pilots.

Easties ides of what is fair and unfair that has put us all in this position.

Yes, something that had to be done.

 

[prechilill]

Silver will not rule until this thing is done. The judge does not want to be overruled or corrected by the 9th and she does not want to hold up the merger. That would bring her much negative attention.
IMO, when the new seniority list is finished, she will revisit the issue with a hearing to find out how everyone made out in the deal.
Then, using the 'wide range of reasonableness' standard, she will most probably dismiss the case.
In the meantime, no more lawsuits, injunctions, or other roadblocks for the deal to go through.
Cheers.

Hey moron... take a look at this!!!

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Case Name: Addington et al v. US Airline Pilots Association et al Case Number: 2:13-cv-00471-ROS Filer: Document Number: 122 [/background]
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[background=rgb(245, 245, 245)]ORDER the [28] Motion to Dismiss is GRANTED. Claim II against US Airways, Inc. is DISMISSED. ORDERED that the [44] Motion to Dismiss is DENIED; USAPA shall file its answer to the complaint withinfive days of this Order. ORDERED the [56] Motion to Intervene is DENIED; [58] Motion for Joinder is DENIED; the [60] Motion to Consolidate is GRANTED; the [113] Motion to Strike is DENIED. ORDERED no later than August 2, 2013 USAPA shall file its response to the [11] Motion to Certify Class. IT IS FURTHER ORDERED Trial on the merits is accelerated and will be held at the same time as the Preliminary Injunction Hearing on September 24, 2013 at 9:00 AM before Chief Judge Roslyn O Silver in Courtroom 604, 401 West Washington Street, Phoenix, AZ 85003. Joint Proposed Pretrail Order due 9/6/2013. Signed by Chief Judge Roslyn O Silver on 7/19/2013. (See Order for details.)(LFIG)[/background]

 

[prechilill]

Yep, just as Prechilill said: RIPE!

 

[prechilill]

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!! Did you get this Pull Up... stupid clown!!!!


IT IS FURTHER ORDERED trial on the merits is accelerated and will be held at the same time as the preliminary injunction hearing. That hearing is set for September 24, 2013 at 9:00 a.m.

 

[prechilill]

And Ustupid lost every ancillary argument they threw out there ROTFLMAO!!!!

D. Miscellaneous Arguments ​

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. 13 Finally, USAPA makes a number of other arguments such as: ratification of the MOU​

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. 14 precludes this suit, the request for attorneys’ fees must be preemptively denied, and certain​

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. 15 portions of the complaint must be stricken. The Court has considered all of USAPA’s​

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. 16 arguments but concludes no relief is appropriate at this time. The motion to dismiss will be​

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. 17 denied in its entirety.​

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[prechilill]

And where the heck is that stinky ole 330 bus driver guy? How 'bout this statement oldie:



A. This Suit is Ripe
The Court need not linger on USAPA’s ripeness argument.

 

[nevergiveup]

easties only think it is fair if they get the outcome they want and can control all sides of the argument.

It may have been fair to you but it has kept us from getting a contract that would allow the NIC to be used. And that's just the way it is.

 

[nevergiveup]

It was an eastie that brought up the money the west is spending and implied that we should stop.

The west will pursue a lawsuit against whatever organization fails to treat us fairly. The company does no go away and they inherit the liability. The APA inherits the DFR duty just like usapa did.

When usapa goes away it will be a good day and worth the money spent to protect the west and not allow a rogue union to step on our rights.

Your right to take another man's job. I'm so impressed!

 

[dca319]

It may have been fair to you but it has kept us from getting a contract that would allow the NIC to be used. And that's just the way it is.

At the very least, both sides are guilty. And I do remember many east pilots posting that they'd rather stay on LOA 93 instead of seeing the Nicolau.

 

[dca319]

Your right to take another man's job. I'm so impressed!

Were you going to lose your job?

 

[dca319]

No...it was a windfall for the West pilots.
Yes, something that had to be done.

No it wasn't. We were lucky to not have liquidated. What we could have done was actually negotiate and not alienate the west.