August 2013 Pilot Discussion

[mrbreeze]

Extracting ourselves here from any west-east/east-west, nyaah, nyaahs: The behavior you note in your friend might well spring from many non-obvious issues. If you've current contact with him; I'd offer the idea that suggesting a full physical/blood work-up/etc would certainly be in order, since a whole lotta' "stuff" can generate just from imbalanced biochemistry, which might've "snuck up" on him over time...Followed by perhaps a visit to any appropriate "shrink". Life's just far too precious and indeed, far too short to ever willfully have it be a miserable experience. 🙂

Thanks, East.....I appreciate your effort. He has pretty much isolated himself from the rest of us, being the lowlifes that we are. Just a huge parallel with Tbone. The shame is that many of the West boys have bought into his BS. I would guess that not many of them are very close to him. goodnight, sir!

 

[Phoenix]

Talk about ridiculous posts.

If congress could care less about pilots and seniority. WHY THE HELL DID THEY PASS M/B???????????????????????????


It is you eastie that think laws don't apply to you. Arrogance boys. The bill is coming due soon.

You see, another post from a poser pretending to be concerned about integrity and logic.

And yes a process consistent with MB is indeed fair!

 

[EastUS1]

Thanks, East.....I appreciate your effort. He has pretty much isolated himself from the rest of us, being the lowlifes that we are. Just a huge parallel with Tbone. The shame is that many of the West boys have bought into his BS. I would guess that not many of them are very close to him. goodnight, sir!

Understood. We do what we can. Sigh!...Sometimes?...There jess' t'aint nuthin' we'se nor enyone's else'es can do. You've more than enough established heart proven in taking care of your magnificent daughter to far more than "suit"/exceed any of my best notions of knowing "what to do". Best to you both and may God Bless sir. 🙂

 

[EastUS1]

You see, another post from a poser pretending to be concerned about integrity and logic.

Be fair here Phoenix! If the thread, while sometimes and only briefly being worthy of actual seriousness, generally ceased to provide predictable laughs...None of us would even visit here. 🙂

PS: "about integrity"..? Does he at least have a custom-made-for-cacti-"pilots"-only-"Integrity Matters" T-Shirt to "prove" it? Without a properly printed up T-Shirt: How could anyone ever claim to have any "integrity"? Umm..in retrospect though; all it takes to become a "spartan"/"knight" and even "dire wolf" is to post a few videos though. 🙂 Would SOMEBODY please alleviate my long-time-concerns, and kindly, PUH-LEEAZE tell me that this, definately-bleary-and-glassy-eyed-kid was just entirely drunk-off-his-arse when he made this!?..."Oh Lords and Ladies of Westeross"? 🙂

https://www.youtube....DCDEE4D2ADA2659

 

[EastUS1]

The perfectly, and arguably, most ultimately defining video for study concerning "spartans", wearers of "Integrity matters" T-shirts, "knights" who've supposedly "fought with valor" in "many battles" in "war", and even dreaded "dire wolves", following their newly-hired, self-styled "supreme commander" of their fantasized "army"? 🙂

https://www.youtube....h?v=KjWYHeg8_5I

 

[end_of_alpa]

My pals at American who want slotting by equipment and status?

You have PALS? I'd call em accomplices.

 

[end_of_alpa]

No, seriously, he is that ignorant.

Did you catch the crew news where Cleary accused Parker of furloughing as a negotiating tactic?

First, the company never negotiated with the scab union til the merger came along, and even then it was an afterthought once they got the APA on board.


Or, maybe you heard about the time they had to tell el presidente he was making an idiot of himself at the monthly labor relations meeting.

Perhaps you saw him in in PHX during the failed UAL merger attempt, where he and Mowery were giddily holding hands as they ran off to file for their denied emergency hearing from the 9th......I will give it to the 9th that they got that one right.


Basically...he is that ignorant. The order specifically says LUP, plain as day, but in uscaba land the ignorant run the "we can trade a cost neutral contract for seniority" fantasies full force and in complete denial.

Having WEST pilot scabs like #3884 Hancock, J. is the reason you guys are the low life of the industry.

 

[end_of_alpa]

If Parker brings along the derriere kissing East management, the low pay will follow, it's elementary.

If Parker brings along the derriere kissing AOL and your kind, the low pay for you will follow, it's elementary. Oh, from another thread:

Anyone know what's going on with Phoenix pilots ? they are offering incentive pay every day this month and there seems to be a shortage everyday from looking at the PRAS sheets , flights are delayed due to the standby shifts , is this another blunder by our wonderful management team ?
The word from our analysts is that Phoenix is overstaffed , then why is there this mess ?

Sounds like a job action to me. I'll be watching on the line for any West pilot advocating job action and report them.

 

[cleardirect]

You see, another post from a poser pretending to be concerned about integrity and logic.

And yes a process consistent with MB is indeed fair!

Since you tell everyone you are so smart.

Legally define what "consistent with M/B" is. Where in the MOU does it define what will and will not be "consistent"? What happens if APA decides what is "consistent with M/B is different than usapa? Majority rules?

Is using a law that specifically states it can't be used in this situation "consistent" with the intention is the law?
Is using M/B that specifically states it can't be used for integration of employees group represented by the same union "consistent" with M/B as intended by congress?

Kirby said the Hummel and the BPR would way out on a limb to get the MOU passed. If "consistent with M/B" means not using the Nicolau why is that out on a limb for the leadership of a DOH only union?

 

[cleardirect]

Sounds like a job action to me. I'll be watching on the line for any West pilot advocating job action and report them.

You do that. You report any perceived job actions to the company. That way they can go to usapa and sue the union.

Equal treatment would dictate that no west pilot be fired. After all no east pilot was fired during the proven and stipulated job action by the east pilots. It would only be fair that no west pilot be fired for any unproven job action and of course usapa would have to do anything and everything sparing no expenses to get those west pilots jobs back right? You know under the duty to represent ALL members fairly.

It is the representative that is on the hook and has the duty.

Your problem proving your little cry baby routine would be the west still has better performance numbers than the east.

 

[Claxon]

You do that. You report any perceived job actions to the company. That way they can go to usapa and sue the union.

Equal treatment would dictate that no west pilot be fired. After all no east pilot was fired during the proven and stipulated job action by the east pilots. It would only be fair that no west pilot be fired for any unproven job action and of course usapa would have to do anything and everything sparing no expenses to get those west pilots jobs back right? You know under the duty to represent ALL members fairly.

It is the representative that is on the hook and has the duty.

Your problem proving your little cry baby routine would be the west still has better performance numbers than the east.

It is the responsibility of each west pilot to abide by their separate contract and MOU. You received notification from your union about job actions. Your union provided ample caution to not engage in improper actions. Deal with the consequences. After all, you reported firsthand on their methods of dealing with what you said was a job action. Perhaps you should lecture your co workers, and leave your president alone.
Please travel to CLT to provide Twitter feed for Chip Munn and the west contingent.
After all, one good turn deserves another.

 

[Phoenix]

Since you tell everyone you are so smart.

Legally define what "consistent with M/B" is. Where in the MOU does it define what will and will not be "consistent"? What happens if APA decides what is "consistent with M/B is different than usapa? Majority rules?

Is using a law that specifically states it can't be used in this situation "consistent" with the intention is the law?
Is using M/B that specifically states it can't be used for integration of employees group represented by the same union "consistent" with M/B as intended by congress?

Kirby said the Hummel and the BPR would way out on a limb to get the MOU passed. If "consistent with M/B" means not using the Nicolau why is that out on a limb for the leadership of a DOH only union?

Ok, Clear. Sure it was illegal for USAPA (and the APA, and all other negotiating parties that signed the MOU).... it was illegal for them to propose a process consistent with MB.

So, now what? How are you going to stop it?

Don't worry if you are unable to stop it, you and the other 2% that voted against it will surely be successful in a DFR suit when you bring up your questions and concerns to court in DFR III.

Sue everyone. Don't forget Doug's hairdresser, she was the one who gave him the diabolical idea!!

 

[cleardirect]

Ok, Clear. Sure it was illegal for USAPA (and the APA, and all other negotiating parties that signed the MOU).... it was illegal for them to propose a process consistent with MB.

So, now what? How are you going to stop it?

Don't worry if you are unable to stop it, you and the other 2% that voted against it will surely be successful in a DFR suit when you bring up your questions and concerns to court in DFR III.

Sue everyone. Don't forget Doug's hairdresser, she was the one who gave him the diabolical idea!!

As I thought. No answer. Just more jibberish from you.

M/B can't be used to integrate east and west. It can be used to integrate US Airways and american. THAT is what is in the MOU.

How are we going to stop it? Oh perhaps a DFR law suit. Maybe you missed the filed a few months ago? Not using the nicolau without an LUP is the DFR. No other parties are going to sign onto that liability.

Consistent with also means as written.

Not to be used for merger prior to Dec 2007. Not to be used for integration when represented by the same union. two major parts of the law. Something kind of like M/B is not consistent with M/B on those points.

 

[Phoenix]

As I thought. No answer. Just more jibberish from you.

M/B can't be used to integrate east and west. It can be used to integrate US Airways and american. THAT is what is in the MOU.

How are we going to stop it? Oh perhaps a DFR law suit. Maybe you missed the filed a few months ago? Not using the nicolau without an LUP is the DFR. No other parties are going to sign onto that liability.

Consistent with also means as written.

Not to be used for merger prior to Dec 2007. Not to be used for integration when represented by the same union. two major parts of the law. Something kind of like M/B is not consistent with M/B on those points.

Yeah, sue sue sue. Maybe someone will eventually have pitty on your exponential legal bill debts.

How come Marty hasn't had a meet and greet lately.

 

[cleardirect]

Yeah, sue sue sue. Maybe someone will eventually have pitty on your exponential legal bill debts.

How come Marty hasn't had a meet and greet lately.

How come my union has not had a meet and greet in PHX lately?

BTW has anything happened, any judges rulings since usapa insisted on sealing the documents? Unlike the union there is no need to waste money having meetings for no reason.