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Yeah, you aren't too obsessive are you? LOL Thanks for the laugh, haven't seen you go this nuts in a while.

He's most likely sleeping it off right now. A little too much food and wine can make for a long night. Maybe a little plop plop, fizz fizz might help his situation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFKifpMtlNs
 
Fellow Pilots,

Last Friday, Chief Judge Rosslyn Silver of the United States District Court in Phoenix issued an order which called for a trial on a lawsuit brought by certain West pilots against USAPA. In the order, she clarified their claim:

"The exact claim brought by the West Pilots is:

USAPA breached its [duty of fair representation] because it made a
contract that abandons a duty to treat the Nicolau award as final and
binding.

(Doc. 52 at 13) (emphasis in original). In other words, the West Pilots’ claim is that USAPA breached the duty of fair representation when it entered into the MOU because the MOU does not require USAPA use the Nicolau Award in the McCaskill-Bond process."
In response to this claim, our attorneys are confident that USAPA did not breach its duty of fair representation in obtaining a new contract that provides over $1.6 Billion in increased pay and benefits for all pilots both East and West. Nevertheless, the next two months will be extremely busy for your Officers and your legal team as we prepare to meet this latest challenge.

It is equally important to note that the court case in Phoenix is but one of the many opportunities that we as a union will have to affect the professional lives and futures of our membership. Our Negotiating Advisory Committee is meeting regularly to prepare for the transition to the New American Airlines. Your Officers are similarly meeting with their counterparts at the Allied Pilots Association (APA), so that a seamless transition can be made to assure continued high quality representation. We continue to engage the Company on any number of important issues, even as our attorneys meet with bankruptcy counsel to craft the appropriate response to the American Airlines plan of reorganization. Your Merger Committee is actively engaged in preparing for negotiations with the APA that will result in a fair and equitable seniority integration.

Your Grievance Committee continues its pursuit of the 3% raises that were due to East pilots each May 1 during the status quo period beginning on May 1, 2010. Last week, correspondence was sent to Arbitrator Kasher from the USAPA System Board Member, requesting that Arbitrator Kasher render a decision on the jurisdictional question of whether this grievance was properly before this Board. Simultaneously, the Grievance Committee is coordinating with outside counsel regarding the strategy of filing a writ of mandamus, which in turn would compel Arbitrator Kasher to render a decision.

In addition, your Grievance Committee, along with our attorneys, is actively involved in litigation in both Pittsburgh and Phoenix seeking to require the Company to adhere to its legal obligations under the Railway Labor Act. In fact, all of our committees are doing equally important work in preparation for the transition to the new American.

It would not be unfair to say that these next eight weeks will be the most deciding in the history of our organization, and the most crucial period in your professional careers. There are many external forces that threaten the considerable gains that we have made in this past year. Those forces can only be overcome if we turn down the noise and get down to work by helping to secure a better future for us all. During this time it is imperative that we all stay focused on the merger and keep our eye on the prize.

Regards,

Gary Hummel, President

There will be no prize, no taking our seniority without a fight.

SYIC
 
That's what happens when you light the short fuse.

Step back and watch the fireworks :lol:

Oh Well....All that extremely insulting ranting/trolling...and yet not so much as even a single "spartan" bite? OK kiddies. You may now return to your usually scheduled programming of telling each other how much "integrity" you supposedly have, and how "tough" you are via your lawyers. I'll just enjoy the dependable laughs you "spartans"/"knights"/'dire wolves" and even "Larry Potta wizards" always provide. 🙂

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7lgU3J5seA&feature=c4-overview-vl&list=PL21C1C7D32B996827
 
Oh Well....All that extremely insulting ranting/trolling...and yet not so much as even a single "spartan" bite? OK kiddies. You may now return to your usually scheduled programming of telling each other how much "integrity" you supposedly have, and how "tough" you are via your lawyers. I'll just enjoy the dependable laughs you "spartans"/"knights"/'dire wolves" and even "Larry Potta wizards" always provide. 🙂

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7lgU3J5seA&feature=c4-overview-vl&list=PL21C1C7D32B996827

You know I was ribbing you a bit, MD. All in good fun. At least I did not offer you a Red Solo Cup. 😉
 
You know I was ribbing you a bit, MD. All in good fun. At least I did not offer you a Red Solo Cup. 😉

"At least I did not offer you a Red Solo Cup." LOL True 'dat. 🙂 We'll all survive this sorry nonsense in any case. It's just seriously sad that it ever even came to be such a mess in the first place. Within any people that love the sky...there's basically far more in common than there is at odds....but...here we are/etc. Some of the more deplorable aspects of the human condition played out more strongly than did "the better angels of our nature".

PS: But...umm..."spartans"?....Seriously? 🙂
 
"At least I did not offer you a Red Solo Cup." LOL True 'dat. 🙂 We'll all survive this sorry nonsense in any case. It's just seriously sad that it ever even came to be such a mess in the first place. Within any people that love the sky...there's basically far more in common than there is at odds....but...here we are/etc. Some of the more deplorable aspects of the human condition played out more strongly than did "the better angels of our nature".

PS: But...umm..."spartans"?....Seriously? 🙂

We will survive, that is the big picture.

The Spartans I'm not a big fan of Michigan State😉
 
We will survive, that is the big picture.

Indeed 🙂...No matter how many heroic "knights" absurdly fantasize themselves to be at utterly childish "war". I've yet to see even the very first flag, or even badge-backer-bedecked "casket" come from any of this nonsense. I'll be soon gone, but I do earnestly hope that all who'll have many years to look forward to at the new American will work their differences out in time.

Umm...meanwhile: you SURE none of your "heroic spartans" want to come out and play? 🙂
 
Have you seen my smiley face?

Sounds like a purely personal problem to me but...Awww! How cute!...Downwight pwecious in fact, widdle "spartan". 🙂

Mighty "representative" of the umm..."spartan"...err..."army": cactus "boy", and I quote verbatim: "I'll let the courts do my talking for me". 🙂

Who could possibly do other than just laugh? 🙂
 
I think they're holding hands!

Hmm..Difficult to say with that angle. One can only hope that it's only holding "hands", but "spartan" culture, being what it was/supposedly is..well/etc...and they clearly ARE looking lovingly into each other's eyes....Umm...No matter....Let's just be decent here, and rent 'em a room. 🙂 I only suggest that out of the purest professional courtesy, as I'd never dare insult the likes of such mighty "spartan"...umm..."pilots".

PS: I've no personal discrimination to offer against whatever consenting adults do to find love in their lives, and it ain't my business to judge anyone in that regard. Who knows in any case here? Perhaps they were just holding hands.
 
APA INFORMATION HOTLINE: July 22, 2013



[background=rgb(250, 250, 250)]This is APA Communications Committee Chairman First Officer Tom Hoban with the APA Information Hotline for Monday, July 22.[/background]

[background=rgb(250, 250, 250)]ADDINGTON VERSUS USAPA: Late Friday afternoon, July 19, Chief Judge Roslyn Silver for the U.S. District Court of Arizona issued a comprehensive order in the lawsuit against the US Airline Pilots Association (USAPA) filed by a group of former America West pilots. In the lawsuit, the former America West pilots claim USAPA breached its duty of fair representation. Judge Silver found that the lawsuit is now ripe for adjudication, with a trial scheduled to begin Sept. 24, 2013.[/background]


Looks like APA doesn't share luvthe9's opinion on the NIC.
 
APA INFORMATION HOTLINE: July 22, 2013
[background=rgb(250, 250, 250)]This is APA Communications Committee Chairman First Officer Tom Hoban with the APA Information Hotline for Monday, July 22.[/background]

[background=rgb(250, 250, 250)]ADDINGTON VERSUS USAPA: Late Friday afternoon, July 19, Chief Judge Roslyn Silver for the U.S. District Court of Arizona issued a comprehensive order in the lawsuit against the US Airline Pilots Association (USAPA) filed by a group of former America West pilots. In the lawsuit, the former America West pilots claim USAPA breached its duty of fair representation. Judge Silver found that the lawsuit is now ripe for adjudication, with a trial scheduled to begin Sept. 24, 2013.[/background]


Looks like APA doesn't share luvthe9's opinion on the NIC.

Traderjake, first of all, your reference does not even make sense. Every East pilot on the property (other than you) is conscious of the injustice and obscenity of the long past relevant Nic award; and of the exact opposite opinion shared by every pilot in the West Class. But you extend this disagreement to Management and the pilots of APA. Management could care less, and would have moved forward on the merger without any rulings from any courts on our seniority. And all the APA cares about is not being involved in litigation going forward on any new list. A reasonable concern. But they have their own issues to deal with, all things TWA and base closing. Upper union management in both groups has agreed to stay out of each other's issues until the appropriate time for seniority discussions, that being after the POR. Legally, Judge Silver saw through the fog and took all non-relevant parties out of the more public equation. You shame us all in continuing to falsify the connection. We all note your opinion, quit embarrassing us all trying to stretch (my own specialty!) the logic. RR
 
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