August 2013 Pilot Discussion

[Metroyet]

Just as the west wants to renege on the mutually agreed conditions. If the west wins, it will surely go to the ninth, but then the west agreed on the MOU. I think Marty led you down a dead end road. Send more money!

When/where did the west agree to forget the Nic award and allow USAPA to push their doh scheme with the APA? I'd say there was ample evidence that the West wasn't simply going to lay down and take it. Besides. You know that USAPA could have never achieved any contractual gains without the APA handing it to them. Perhaps the West actually WANTED the gains? They can't vote for that? Sorry. You guys are at the end of the Tether and Hummel is already telegraphing the need to brace yourself.

 

[prechilill]

Ooooooh, goodie! Have you guys gotten Prechill's countdown clock fixed after it was smashed in May? Will we get to have it running again? (I'm so excited!)

Stinky, since you apparently can't read judicial orders- RIPE!!!

9/24/13
Ha ha ha... Don't stain the seat old man!

 

[Claxon]

Bracing yourself for the inevitable? Already planning your trip to the 9th? Hate to break it to you but USAPA will be dead and buried long before you get to appeal Silver. This is it. 9-24 is your last chance to convince a Judgemthat what you're attempting to do is legitimate. A Jury took 90minutes to shut you down....your odds don't look good here either.

" YOU KNOW USAPA WON' T GET MORE THAN 200 CARDS.............."

 

[prechilill]

"At least I did not offer you a Red Solo Cup." LOL True 'dat. 🙂 We'll all survive this sorry nonsense in any case. It's just seriously sad that it ever even came to be such a mess in the first place. Within any people that love the sky...there's basically far more in common than there is at odds....but...here we are/etc. Some of the more deplorable aspects of the human condition played out more strongly than did "the better angels of our nature".

PS: But...umm..."spartans"?....Seriously? 🙂

You can thank the misguided direction of a select few in ALPA who campaigned so passionately at one time to remove LOS from seniority integration tennets.

 

[Claxon]

Stinky, since you apparently can't read judicial orders- RIPE!!!

9/24/13
Ha ha ha... Don't stain the seat old man!

Ask him politely to visit the 330 so you can fulfill your mission. Then leave.
Premature adjudication. A PHX legal tradition.
4 more years of separate ops will result for eastern div. pilots.

 

[luvthe9]

Classic response, no wonder everyone thinks you are out to lunch

"thinks" should be "knows" just a real Munn lovin whackjob.

 

[snapthis]

Ask him politely to visit the 330 so you can fulfill your mission. Then leave.
Premature adjudication. A PHX legal tradition.
4 more years of separate ops will result for eastern div. pilots.

The Detroit of the airline industry always on the brink of collapse.

Impressive. A group of commuter airlines with a 330.

The Eastern div.
http://www.airtimes.com/cgat/usc/usairways/detail/mapus810601.jpg

 

[traderjake]

"thinks" should be "knows" just a real Munn lovin whackjob.

Still p*ssed at Munn for the Recall and MOU I see.

 

[cleardirect]

Not sure where you get that. The APA is at least 6 months away from being our CBA and I think a ruling and appeal will be done before that, whichever side loses. I know you guys are counting on the APA dropping the appeal, but I wouldn't bet money on that route.

Shows how little you know about the ninth. Do some research into how long the average appeal takes in the ninth. Even if Silver were to rule on 9-24 (which i doubt). The earliest usapa would file an appeal with e ninth is mid December.6-8 months before the ninth even responds and set a schedule. A couple delay requests and usapa is long, long gone.

Now why would the APA continue with an appeal that gains the majority nothing? The APA does not care what our list looks like. The APA simply wants a list they can integrate with their list and move forward as fast as possible.

Delay is not what the APA wants. Continuing the pilot divide is not what the APA wants. Another seniority fight is not want the APA wants. They already have one they don't need another one.

 

[nic4us]

Just as the west wants to renege on the mutually agreed conditions. If the west wins, it will surely go to the ninth, but then the west agreed on the MOU. I think Marty led you down a dead end road. Send more money!

Of course the West agreed to the MOU, however, the West has not reneged on anything.

Prior to the MOU ratification usapa advertised the MOU as seniority "neutral" and the MOU itself makes absolutely no mention of combining the east and West seniority list, that has already been completed, and accepted by the company via the Nic arbitration.

During the process Marty wrote letters to every interested party explaining what "may" be in violation of the DFR "if" it came to pass.

Post MOU ratification, usapa announced it will not use the Nic for anything, and that the MOU is not seniority "neutral" but a blank slate to peruse the usapa agenda to eradicate the Nic award, of which it membership has a final and binding legal claim toward.

So, in fact it is not the West who has reneged, but once again the scab union and it's scab supporters whose entire purpose was to steal from their co-workers.


Have a nice day!

 

[cleardirect]

Just as the west wants to renege on the mutually agreed conditions. If the west wins, it will surely go to the ninth, but then the west agreed on the MOU. I think Marty led you down a dead end road. Send more money!

You easties are amazing. You try and turn everything around. You renege on binding arbitration and now try and say the west really are the ones that are wrong.

The west is not reneging on the MOU just forcing you easties to live up to your original agreement to use the Nicolau. The mutually agreed conditions. I agreed to use M/B to integrate US Airways pilots and American pilots. Not east west because the M/B law does not allow that to integrate intra union mergers or merger that happened before December 2007. We are trying to follow the law not get around it.

You guys can put all your hopes dreams on the ninth. The most overturned court in the county.

 

[PullUp]

If the POR occurs in September, then the clock starts for SLI negotiations. If an agreement is reached (so as to avoid M/B arb), a new combined list could be in place by the end of the year. As Clear stated, the APA does not want delays.
Comparing this timeline to Judge Silver's timeline; if she takes more than 3 months to rule, her decision could be largely unenforceable, as a new list would already be in use and USAPA dissolved. This is supposing a ruling for the plaintiffs, which I find highly unlikely.
Ripe, dismissed with prejudice.
Cheers.

 

[snapthis]

Shows how little you know about the ninth. Do some research into how long the average appeal takes in the ninth. Even if Silver were to rule on 9-24 (which i doubt). The earliest usapa would file an appeal with e ninth is mid December.6-8 months before the ninth even responds and set a schedule. A couple delay requests and usapa is long, long gone.

Now why would the APA continue with an appeal that gains the majority nothing? The APA does not care what our list looks like. The APA simply wants a list they can integrate with their list and move forward as fast as possible.

Delay is not what the APA wants. Continuing the pilot divide is not what the APA wants. Another seniority fight is not want the APA wants. They already have one they don't need another one.

USAPA thinks they have us by the tail. They hope APA will do something stupid similar to this....

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=043_1374605316

 

[nic4us]

If the POR occurs in September, then the clock starts for SLI negotiations. If an agreement is reached (so as to avoid M/B arb), a new combined list could be in place by the end of the year. As Clear stated, the APA does not want delays.
Comparing this timeline to Judge Silver's timeline; if she takes more than 3 months to rule, her decision could be largely unenforceable, as a new list would already be in use and USAPA dissolved. This is supposing a ruling for the plaintiffs, which I find highly unlikely.
Ripe, dismissed with prejudice.
Cheers.

In order to dismiss with prejudice, she would have to vacate a final and binding arbitrated award, 6 years past the SOL for contesting the award.

That right there is what they call grounds for an appeal.

An agreement could be reached between the APA and usapa to avoid arbitration, and if that agreement disregards the Nic, it is off to the DFR races once again, with injunction sought for the illegally obtained "agreed" to list. Does not sound like the no delay path of least resistance to me.

 

[snapthis]

In order to dismiss with prejudice, she would have to vacate a final and binding arbitrated award, 6 years past the SOL for contesting the award.

That right there is what they call grounds for an appeal.

An agreement could be reached between the APA and usapa to avoid arbitration, and if that agreement disregards the Nic, it is off to the DFR races once again, with injunction sought for the illegally obtained "agreed" to list. Does not sound like the no delay path of least resistance to me.

If things don't go their way and they appeal, things will go our way while this thing drags through the appeals process. They will have will have to abide by the court's decision until then.