August 2013 Pilot Discussion

[Phoenix]

APA won't meet with USAPA without the East West settled first. That process begins on 9-24

Then or the POR, whichever comes first.


Tell us if you care... If the West were able to persuade USAPA to pursue an MOU with a SLI regime more favorable to the West, then would there be any obvious impediment for USAPA and the company to negotiate and present such an MOU to the entire membership for ratification? If everyone voted for it, then would it still be illegal to use it?

If you cannot obtain something you all desire via ratifying a new contract, then how pray tell do you confirm your desire to have the contents of a new contract? Or how do you demonstrate your displeasure? Does your affirmative vote for a contract only have meaning if you don't go to court to block it?

How many disgruntled, insincere, didn't mean it, had my fingers crossed, yes voters does it take to make a ratification illegal?

 

[Reed Richards]

Agree to the slotting by equipment and status that APA wants and you have your settlement.

The odds of me dating Kim Kardashian better than that happening.

You must be the only male on the planet that has NOT had an opportunity to "date" her. Bad analogy, only worse one would be that Hilton girl. But unfortunately we all just got a look into your, well, favorites. Yuck. RR

 

[Claxon]

The original RICO complaint against the america west airlines pilots.

http://leonidas.cact...l Complaint.pdf

 

[prechilill]

The original RICO complaint against the america west airlines pilots.

http://leonidas.cact...l Complaint.pdf

Dismissed, with prejudice moron!!!. Lol!!!

 

[Claxon]

Your 3 million dollar councel lied to the Judges in NY BK court.



""Pilots’ counsel disclaiming any interest in interfering with the merger would provide adequate comfort that they intended, and desired, no such interference.
It is now clear, however, that counsel for the West Pilots intended to provide much less comfort than was understood at the time.

The West Pilots have made it clear, in fact, that they intend to seek injunctive relief to prevent the merger-related seniority integration process from proceeding — to prevent the parties to the MOU from complying with their contractual commitments — if the West Pilots have not fully and finally prevailed on the claims they have asserted in the Arizona Action when that MOU seniority integration process begins. It is extraordinarily unlikely that the US Airways seniority dispute will be finally resolved by that time; one need only observe (a) that it has already been festering for eight years;and ( B) that USAPA has already told the judge in the Arizona Action that the dispute is not yet ripe,6 and will remain so until the merger-related seniority integration process has been completed and a new collective bargaining agreement is in place.

Given these irreconcilable views, there is no alternative but to seek relief from this Court. The Court should dismiss this adversary Proceeding, but do so with an admonition to the parties that they refrain from seeking any relief in the Arizona Action that might interfere with the MOU’s seniority integration process or otherwise prevent the parties to the MOU from complying with their MOU-related contractual commitments.""

The Judge of the AMR BK will dismiss your west case, August 15th.

http://leonidas.cact..._to_Dismiss.pdf

Clear, your thoughts please sir.

 

[Reed Richards]

APA won't meet with USAPA without the East West settled first. That process begins on 9-24

So assuming the POR comes on 15 Sep and the MB like process timeline starts. But the APA guys won't show up until we have settled East/West, and the USAPA folks won't show up until the TWA guys and gals are happy with their base closure issues. And the clock ticks and tocks with nobody showing up until a full arbitration. Yep, that is exactly what the APA wants, a chance at their own NIC. RR

 

[prechilill]

 

[traderjake]

You must be the only male on the planet that has NOT had an opportunity to "date" her. Bad analogy, only worse one would be that Hilton girl. But unfortunately we all just got a look into your, well, favorites. Yuck. RR

Yuck?

Sure, whatever you say.

 

[Metroyet]

Then or the POR, whichever comes first.


Tell us if you care... If the West were able to persuade USAPA to pursue an MOU with a SLI regime more favorable to the West, then would there be any obvious impediment for USAPA and the company to negotiate and present such an MOU to the entire membership for ratification? If everyone voted for it, then would it still be illegal to use it?

If you cannot obtain something you all desire via ratifying a new contract, then how pray tell do you confirm your desire to have the contents of a new contract? Or how do you demonstrate your displeasure? Does your affirmative vote for a contract only have meaning if you don't go to court to block it?

How many disgruntled, insincere, didn't mean it, had my fingers crossed, yes voters does it take to make a ratification illegal?

Where in the MOU is the East West issue addressed?

 

[prechilill]

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USAPA stays alive to represent US Airways pilots in the MB like process until a final product is rendered.

So, by your logic then, USAPA must exist until seniority is settled? LOL. Yes or no answer.

 

[Claxon]

Dismissed, with prejudice moron!!!. Lol!!!

"While the Court has concluded that such actions do not come
within the purview of RICO, It may well be that a Court of appropriate
jurisdiction will conclude that such actions do constitute violations of state
law and that injunctive relief is warranted to prevent this type of conduct
from continuing."

Page 45 Prozac breath.

http://leonidas.cactuspilots.us/Rico/Rico%20District/97%20Final%20order.pdf

 

[Claxon]

The original RICO complaint against the america west airlines pilots.

http://leonidas.cact...l Complaint.pdf

Fun reading link in above quote.

 

[prechilill]

"While the Court has concluded that such actions do not come
within the purview of RICO, It may well be that a Court of appropriate
jurisdiction will conclude that such actions do constitute violations of state
law and that injunctive relief is warranted to prevent this type of conduct
from continuing."

Page 45 Prozac breath.

http://leonidas.cact...Final order.pdf

Dismissed, with prejudice. Why do east pilots mail feces to their own union? Interesting behavior, to say the least. Like peeking up skirts maybe?

 

[Claxon]

"Upon information and belief, defendant Auxier made 45 telephone calls, for a total of 160 minutes, to the USAPA toll-free telephone number from telephone number (505) 710-4970. Auxier made 33 of the 45 calls between May 1 and May 7, 2008."

"Defendant Auxier&rsquo;s postings on the AWAPPA Web Board end with the message, &ldquo;Have you called 877-678-7272 25 times today???&rdquo;

"Upon information and belief, on April 28, 2008, defendant Auxier posted the following message on the AWAPPA Web Board:
Hey, the UAL guys have the balls to deny the Eastholes, the least we can do is follow suit. They are the pariahs of the industry, and frankly I think it IS unsafe to have them on our jumps. They&rsquo;ve made their bed, now they get to lie in it. Plus &ndash; damn good point &ndash; they would be quicker than a hard up Fed to bust us for the slightest infraction. Nuff said. I&rsquo;m on board &ndash; just itching to deny one to his face!"

http://leonidas.cactuspilots.us/Rico/Rico%20District/1%20Original%20Complaint.pdf

 

[Claxon]

"In a March 18, 2008, letter to former America West pilots, defendant McIlvenna, a director of AWAPPA and Leonidas LLC, declared &ldquo;war against USAPA&rdquo; and stated that &ldquo;there are plans in place to destroy USAPA should they prevail as our bargaining agent.&rdquo;

"On or about April 22, 2008, defendant McIlvenna, using electronic communication, threatened the safety of a US Airways pilot by stating that &ldquo;I hope the pilot group does not know about your plan to pay USAPA dues and join as a member, else I fear for your safety.&rdquo; Defendant McIlvenna is a member of the Board of Directors of AWAPPA."

foot in mouth note:

In 2009 Johnny Mc, former america west airline pilot alpa mec chairman, told (accused East pilots) Doug Parker in a PHX pilot meeting that East pilots were running both engines and apu on taxi out and were not asking for direct routes.