August 2013 Pilot Discussion

[Keroseneuser]

One thing is for sure, do not spend that MOU check until you see it in the bank. The way this mess is going we will be separate ops for another 5 years! The only way to get through the mess is for all parties to come up with a middle of the road deal, No NIC, No DOH......but we know that is not going to happen.

 

[snapthis]

"Plaintiffs have made clear their desire to obtain a prompt adjudication of the merits of their claims against USAPA, so that there is no interference with the process for the US Airways/American pilots seniority integration. But, separate and apart from the West Pilots’ interests that will be advocated by plaintiffs, US Airways has a significant interest in its own behalf to be allowed to start and complete the seniority-integration process on a timely basis given that any interference with that process could have an adverse impact on the operational and financial benefits of the merger with American. USAPA’s actions in this litigation have been, and still are, inconsistent with a prompt resolution on the merits of plaintiffs’ claims. Indeed, notwithstanding the Court’s July 19 decision, USAPA still asserts that the West Pilots’ DFR claim is not ripe."

It seems USAPA is the only party seeking to delay the merger.

 

[nevergiveup]

CONCLUSION
"For all the foregoing reasons, US Airways respectfully requests that the Court grant
its motion to intervene under Rule 24 a or Rule 24 b, for the limited purposes of
protecting its interest in: (i) a prompt resolution of the merits of the West Pilots’ DFR
claim against USAPA; and (ii) a prompt determination that the West Pilots have the right under the McCaskill-Bond statute to full and separate representation in the upcoming seniority-integration proceedings between the US Airways and American pilots."

Separate representation is the correct call.

I have always supported a 3 way. The question has always been whether it can be done legally. This would surely send it to MB arbitration; so mote it be. The company wants to see a planned route before we get started, understandably. I just want to see VT beat AL on the 31st!(no bets)

 

[crazystnic]

Oh! Now you see the problem when people don't follow the rules and just make s$&/ up?

Final and binding is final and binding. But you tried to make up your own rules.

Now as you ask how do we force all these other untested issues into a box that was never to be?

Are you beginning to understand that the simplest thing for the court, the company and the union to do is use the agreed upon arbitration and go int M/B with one list.

I suggest that you read the TWA arbitration for some enlightenment as to how the APA or usapa would have to deal with the west as a separate party at the table.

final and binding was never final and binding, becuase it requried a joint CBA between east and west, which never happened and never will happen, cry as you might.

the company now gives a sh** because it gets in the way of them making money. Boo HOO.. F))) mgmt...

you guys didn't want to talk, you wanted a fight you got it... I say we drag this out as long as possible.

your welcome..

 

[crazystnic]

I have always supported a 3 way. The question has always been whether it can be done legally. This would surely send it to MB arbitration; so mote it be. The company wants to see a planned route before we get started, understandably. I just want to see VT beat AL on the 31st!(no bets)

I am not in favor of a 3 way, the west wanted this fight, let's bring it to them ... many attempts have been tried to talk to them all given with a NO

 

[EastUS1]

One thing is for sure, do not spend that MOU check until you see it in the bank.

A wise move in any case, in that history's proven "here" that any employee benefits and compensation that can be, quite frankly stolen, or at least incredibly delayed, diminished, "misinterpreted" etc, will be.

PS: The AMR employees are so completely disgusted with what's only laughably passed for "management" there, that ANYthing else "has to be better"....Well...While no skilled wielder of portents and omens; I'll nonetheless predict that any honeymoon phase with team tempe will be over in near-record time.

 

[dca319]

One thing is for sure, do not spend that MOU check until you see it in the bank. The way this mess is going we will be separate ops for another 5 years! The only way to get through the mess is for all parties to come up with a middle of the road deal, No NIC, No DOH......but we know that is not going to happen.

I do believe this will be complete by the 2nd quarter of next year if not sooner. After reading the company's filing, USAPAs fate will be sealed and the Nicolau will be cemented in place. Those thinking this fight has years left in it are delusional.

 

[nevergiveup]

I do believe this will be complete by the 2nd quarter of next year if not sooner. After reading the company's filing, USAPAs fate will be sealed and the Nicolau will be cemented in place. Those thinking this fight has years left in it are delusional.

Yes the company, not the court system, rules!

 

[prechilill]

I do believe this will be complete by the 2nd quarter of next year if not sooner. After reading the company's filing, USAPAs fate will be sealed and the Nicolau will be cemented in place. Those thinking this fight has years left in it are delusional.

It is refreshing to see a balanced perspective from an east pilot.

 

[Phoenix]

'cleardirect' Posted Today, 09:48 AM
"Hey moron."

Again folks...You just couldn't make these people up as viable characters for use in children's comic books. 🙂

Um, he did seem to spell it correctly. Ya gotta give credit where credit is due. 🙂

 

[Phoenix]

2008 prior to usapa. When the west could negotiate we did negotiate.

And you had 747 pay rates before USAPA too. I have no idea what you are trying to say.

 

[cactusboy53]

Sounds like you don't need the NIC.

Not so much about "need", but more about keeping your word. I would say you should understand, but I know better. Break any promises lately? Hey, have you seen Seham's video of his empassioned plea to AMFA? It's really interesting what he espouses to AMFA vs. USAPA. You can't buy that kind of expertise, oh wait...you can. Personally I would prefer legal counsel that tells me ALL of the possible variables.

How's that DOH thingy working out for you so far?

 

[Phoenix]

Speaking of "keeping your word", I find the paradox put forward by the company to be very intriguing/entertaining.

On the one hand they passionately and repeatedly plead for the judge to protect the MOU provisions in order to ensure their merger interests are not decimated, but on the other hand they desperately want the judge to decide if the West is entitled to a supra-NMB established new union with rights superior to those parties that actually negotiated and signed the MOU. Or in the alternative the company is asking if the judge may just alter the provisions of the MOU without consultation of all the signatories to the MOU...

... such passion for the jude to quickly answer the West's desires to drastically alter the provisions of the MOU to protect the processes of the MOU.

How can she best protect the MOU and its signatories...? Hmmm....

 

[Reed Richards]

I gave some more thought to the idea Parker would try and not pay our pilots the retrospective pay. By the time this fiasco is heard in Judge Silver's courtroom the conditions requiring payment will have already been met. That being the CLT reps voting to send out the MOU, and the POR actually occurring. That is the simple definition, one that will become more clear as the years go by. And I have given no more thought to the idea the court will "grant" the West USAPA pilots their own status. It won't happen. I simply don't think she will go there. After the MOU replaces LOA 96 her job gets much easier. And as you point out Phoenix, why would she want to go off the reservation then? If Silver does choose the hard way, she might as well impose the NIC. It will only make the ensuing litigation that much more focused. Again, she will read USAPA the riot act, but will respect the MOU and its signing parties. RR

 

[Reed Richards]

And I almost forgot why I came back. The CLT elections! It is pretty simple, a wide diverse group, with some very new faces. I suggest staying away from the old names and going new. And above all, in any case, please consider NOT casting your vote for Courtney Borman. I would like to call him and all his antics a train wreck, but that is probably politically incorrect right now. RR