August 2013 Pilot Discussion

[prechilill]

Courtney Borman = Cleary stooge. The backbone of east pilot squalor.

 

[Phoenix]

I gave some more thought to the idea Parker would try and not pay our pilots the retrospective pay. By the time this fiasco is heard in Judge Silver's courtroom the conditions requiring payment will have already been met. That being the CLT reps voting to send out the MOU, and the POR actually occurring. That is the simple definition, one that will become more clear as the years go by. And I have given no more thought to the idea the court will "grant" the West USAPA pilots their own status. It won't happen. I simply don't think she will go there. After the MOU replaces LOA 96 her job gets much easier. And as you point out Phoenix, why would she want to go off the reservation then? If Silver does choose the hard way, she might as well impose the NIC. It will only make the ensuing litigation that much more focused. Again, she will read USAPA the riot act, but will respect the MOU and its signing parties. RR

Its almost like the company has a novel twist on the "briar patch" persuasion (of Brer Rabbit fame).

"Oh, please Judge, we need you to save us all. Whatever you do, please, please, please just save us all and be a hero, and if you think it is best then lead us all into the briar patch. Yes, if you think we must all go to the briar patch then to the briar patch we will go. Throw yourself and us all together into the briar patch. We encourage you to consider such extreme measures.. or be the hero, shake everyone by the collar, and tell us all to STF up and follow the MOU.

 

[cactusboy53]

Speaking of "keeping your word", I find the paradox put forward by the company to be very intriguing/entertaining.

On the one hand they passionately and repeatedly plead for the judge to protect the MOU provisions in order to ensure their merger interests are not decimated, but on the other hand they desperately want the judge to decide if the West is entitled to a supra-NMB established new union with rights superior to those parties that actually negotiated and signed the MOU. Or in the alternative the company is asking if the judge may just alter the provisions of the MOU without consultation of all the signatories to the MOU...

... such passion for the jude to quickly answer the West's desires to drastically alter the provisions of the MOU to protect the processes of the MOU.

How can she best protect the MOU and its signatories...? Hmmm....

Relax Scotty,
It will all be over soon. You'll be able to bid A320 FO on PHX soon enough.

CB

 

[Phoenix]

Relax Scotty,
It will all be over soon. You'll be able to bid A320 FO on PHX soon enough.

CB

What do you know? You still post to "Scotty". But don't presume this to be a correction. I find too much humor in presumptuous idiots to ever stop them from being such.

 

[Beancounter]

Maybe it's already been discussed, but what is up with USAPA filing an objection to the POR today? I read it and my immediate reaction was; what the ?? American Eagle ??

Bean

 

[cleardirect]

final and binding was never final and binding, becuase it requried a joint CBA between east and west, which never happened and never will happen, cry as you might.

the company now gives a sh** because it gets in the way of them making money. Boo HOO.. F))) mgmt...

you guys didn't want to talk, you wanted a fight you got it... I say we drag this out as long as possible.

your welcome..

You can try and drag this out but you had better read the companies filing today. That option is closed.

Btw it was you easties that started the fight. You can end it anytime. Otherwise the ref is going to call it. If you have not figured out what outcome the company wants and the court is leaning you better read it again.

 

[cleardirect]

Maybe it's already been discussed, but what is up with USAPA filing an objection to the POR today? I read it and my immediate reaction was; what the ?? American Eagle ??

Bean

Usapa, the little kid in the next room screaming for attention while the adults discuss the important issues.

A the filing did was inform the grown ups in the deal exactly who usapa is and what they are dealing with.

Classic though usapa crying about the company looking for a way out of their deal. Usapa was created to do just that now they don't like it when someone else tries it.

 

[cleardirect]

Have you easties taken the time to read the company filing today? You better. Phoenix you fancy yourself the subtle expert. Figured out the outcome the company is looking for from the judge? Were the clues not bold enough for you?

You know the part about ripeness and still arguing that it is not ripe even after the judge told them it was ripe. Tell me did Siegel call Shamanski incompetent? You are the expert.

Lots of hints and direction to the court.

Even the usapa lawyers understand now. Did you see the none objection to the amended complaint? Shortest filing from usapa ever. Also the only time they have not whined complained and stomped their feet about every single filing. Maybe, just maybe they finally got the baseball bat across the head from judge Silver don't fight the battles you already lost.

 

[traderjake]

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[mrbreeze]

Lots of hints and direction to the court.

Sure, Clear......those voices are really spinning in your head theses days, eh? You should take a break....your starting to hallucinate and you've been calling people names a lot lately. The last time I was on here, you called me stupid and a moron in 2 different posts within 4 minutes. Like this commercial says, "There's no club, you moron". http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AK_culjajRw

 

[Crzipilot]

Didn't know the company lawyers told Judges how to decide?!?!? They are simply looking for the quickest easiest way out, no matter what...

 

[EastUS1]

... what outcome the company wants .......

Now, THERE'S a fine reason for all involved to lose sleep! 😉

 

[EastUS1]

It will all be over soon.

You forgot to add your trademark salutation "cupcake", oh mighty "spartan". 🙂

 

[EastUS1]

Not so much about "need", but more about keeping your word. I would say you should understand, but I know better. Break any promises lately?

"Break any promises lately" Nope...You? 😉 The only thing I've ever promised any/all here is that I'd never vote in favor of anything that carried with it the nic. That's been kept, and seriously? "keeping your word.... Break any promises lately?"...Well...it's hard to find much time for all that whilst busy with car-jacking bus loads of nuns, setting fire to orphanages, running abusive puppy mills and working for global warming in any case. Besides which; not all of us can be "pillars" of..umm..."integrity" and mighty "spartans" who'll "let the courts do my talking for me". Be fair here! 🙂

 

[Piedmont1984]

Anyone else scratching their head over this recent 'limited objection' filed by USAPA? For years the union has been bemoaning the ravages brought about by the regionals and now they are concerned about the American Eagle pilots? To add insult to injury, the union shows no interest or concern about our own regionals and wholly owned. WTF, over? No disrespect or ill will intended for the AA Eagle group, but let them fend for themselves. We may finally see Wolf's prediction from 15 years ago, regarding more airplanes than God can count, come true. Only it won't be ABs, it will be 190s. So let our guys fly those routes and keep them on mainline.

USAPA, which I have supported from day one, will soon cease to exist and this recent action reminds me of the petulant child that makes a mess before he exits the room.

A union needs to know its limitations and this one needs to exit the scene with a little more grace and class. Is that too much to ask?