August 2013 Pilot Discussion

[cleardirect]

Now I am really confused. Are you and/or the Company saying after you get the NIC, a combined list, you should still have a seat at the table? RR

Correct.

Usapa has proven itself to be untrustworthy. An injunction to use the Nicolau. A seat at the M/B to integrate USA/American. That way you easties don't get any funny ideas about putting so C&R or screwing up this integration.

 

[cleardirect]

Notice in the company's filing that they use the term US Airways pilots, east and west.

Maybe you mean this statement from the company?


The MOU, to which US Airways is a party, contains a schedule for the initiation
and completion of the seniority-integration process between the US Airways (East and
West) pilots and the American pilots.



Read carefully how this was stated. USA pilots and American pilots.

You do know what those curvy things mean in mathematics right? When solving the equation you perform the operation inside the parentheses FIRST.

Eq: ((East+west)+American)= Nicolau+ American. Integrated seniority list

That is a different result from east+west+American. Result another law suit.

Why would the company put the east and West together solving first instead of stating east+west+ American if that is what they want? Taken along with the other quotes I posted it should be painfully clear to anyone what the company is telling the court.

 

[RSVP767]

Notice in the company's filing that they use the term US Airways pilots, east and west.

Notice that the company still recognizes that there are two lists at US Airways.

 

[Res Judicata]

Now I am really confused. Are you and/or the Company saying after you get the NIC, a combined list, you should still have a seat at the table? RR

Exactly. The West Pilots will have their own representation at the table to yank the scabs choke chain when they inevitably attempt something illegal.

 

[PullUp]

Dismissed with prejudice. Final with no appeal. No new lawsuits. No seat at the table, against RLA law.
Next case.

 

[767one]

Anyone else scratching their head over this recent 'limited objection' filed by USAPA? For years the union has been bemoaning the ravages brought about by the regionals and now they are concerned about the American Eagle pilots? To add insult to injury, the union shows no interest or concern about our own regionals and wholly owned. WTF, over? No disrespect or ill will intended for the AA Eagle group, but let them fend for themselves. We may finally see Wolf's prediction from 15 years ago, regarding more airplanes than God can count, come true. Only it won't be ABs, it will be 190s. So let our guys fly those routes and keep them on mainline.

USAPA, which I have supported from day one, will soon cease to exist and this recent action reminds me of the petulant child that makes a mess before he exits the room.

A union needs to know its limitations and this one needs to exit the scene with a little more grace and class. Is that too much to ask?

Is it possible that usapa is concerned not so much about the eagle pilots but with what the company plans to do with eagle? Perhaps there is concern that eagle could take a fair about of flying from mainline. Is there protection in the apa contract or the MOU? It would not be the first time that what is left unwritten is more important than what is in writing. Just a thought .

Bob Moore, captain of the tractor, rototiller and the jon boat.

 

[fatherabraham]

Exactly. The West Pilots will have their own representation at the table to yank the scabs choke chain when they inevitably attempt something illegal.

Well looky what the cat dragged in.
Call ur butt buddy Foda SE & Boo Boo to join in.

FA

 

[Piedmont1984]

Is it possible that usapa is concerned not so much about the eagle pilots but with what the company plans to do with eagle? Perhaps there is concern that eagle could take a fair about of flying from mainline. Is there protection in the apa contract or the MOU? It would not be the first time that what is left unwritten is more important than what is in writing. Just a thought .

Bob Moore, captain of the tractor, rototiller and the jon boat.

I've asked the union prez for clarification via email. So far his response is unwritten as well🙂

 

[EastUS1]

Exactly. The West Pilots will have their own representation at the table to yank the scabs choke chain when they inevitably attempt something illegal.

We see displayed here the entire "west thing" in an appropriately termed nutshell = Delusions of Grandeur.

 

[cleardirect]

Dismissed with prejudice. Final with no appeal. No new lawsuits. No seat at the table, against RLA law.
Next case.

So says the usapa shill insider. Still trying to keep the faithful in line?

What makes you think it will get dismissed with prejudice? Second what makes you think a district dismissal is unappealable?

Now tell me. Which federal law is controlling. The federal law of the RLA that governs airline labor or the federal law that governs seniority integration?

If M/B and a federal judge say the west gets a seat at the table. What part of RLA says we do not? How oh how would we solve that conundrum?

 

[nevergiveup]

Maybe you mean this statement from the company?


The MOU, to which US Airways is a party, contains a schedule for the initiation
and completion of the seniority-integration process between the US Airways (East and
West) pilots and the American pilots.



Read carefully how this was stated. USA pilots and American pilots.

You do know what those curvy things mean in mathematics right? When solving the equation you perform the operation inside the parentheses FIRST.

Eq: ((East+west)+American)= Nicolau+ American. Integrated seniority list

That is a different result from east+west+American. Result another law suit.

Why would the company put the east and West together solving first instead of stating east+west+ American if that is what they want? Taken along with the other quotes I posted it should be painfully clear to anyone what the company is telling the court.

You grasp for straws more and more in each post!

 

[nevergiveup]

Dismissed with prejudice. Final with no appeal. No new lawsuits. No seat at the table, against RLA law.
Next case.

This would be my bet. West had their chance and gave it away a long time ago.

 

[traderjake]

Dismissed with prejudice. Final with no appeal. No new lawsuits. No seat at the table, against RLA law.

Five addition years of LOA 93.

Wages and time off never to be recovered.

 

[prechilill]

Five addition years of LOA 93.

Wages and time off never to be recovered.

Trader, pull-up is the clown that predicted Silver wouldn't rule... 10 hours later her order was published. Like so many east holes on here they are all emotion and zero brains. Expect the hysteria to worsen as 9/24 approaches. And after the ruling we will see grown men crying.,, Priceless... Can hardly wait.
Anything pull-up predicts is more like a stand up comedy act.

 

[Reed Richards]

Is it possible that usapa is concerned not so much about the eagle pilots but with what the company plans to do with eagle? Perhaps there is concern that eagle could take a fair about of flying from mainline. Is there protection in the apa contract or the MOU? It would not be the first time that what is left unwritten is more important than what is in writing. Just a thought .

Bob Moore, captain of the tractor, rototiller and the jon boat.

Thanks Bob for the breath of fresh air. You get what just went on by just being a reasonable thinker. PI1984 cannot even read, nor take the time to. Had he even taken the time to read the Union filing, he would have seen: "however the Plan has failed to adequately explain their plans forAmerican Eagle and other regional carriers such as the wholly owned subsidiaries of USAirways, and their expected impact on the mainline business. This is a critical omission givenDebtors' acknowledgment that "f left unaddressed, AMR Eagle's high cost structure will putthe carrier's long-term viability at substantial risk," Kasper Decl. ¶" Then PI1984 laments the"President" has not answered his email, while high fiving another low info pilot driving Busses in NYC. If he had taken time to read the actual complaint, paid attention to what happens in BK (the last 2 times), or even called McKee he would have gotten the truth. Full support by the BPR on the filing. It has nothing to do with our seniority battle, and everything to do with over 30% of the New AMR...Regional flying. And he even managed to get the old "just like ALPA" dig in. I think his pompous disregard for ANY elected reps puts him in the category of NEVER being happy with any decisions. I hear even the West Reps were on board with this filing, but stand corrected if CactusBoy says otherwise. Thanks Bob for your clear thinking. RR