August 2013 Pilot Discussion

[traderjake]

Had he even taken the time to read the Union filing, he would have seen: "however the Plan has failed to adequately explain their plans forAmerican Eagle and other regional carriers such as the wholly owned subsidiaries of USAirways, and their expected impact on the mainline business. This is a critical omission givenDebtors' acknowledgment that "f left unaddressed, AMR Eagle's high cost structure will putthe carrier's long-term viability at substantial risk," Kasper Decl.

This is all about USAPA trying to become relevent (which it is not).

 

[Reed Richards]

Now tell me. Which federal law is controlling. The federal law of the RLA that governs airline labor or the federal law that governs seniority integration?

If M/B and a federal judge say the west gets a seat at the table. What part of RLA says we do not? How oh how would we solve that conundrum?

I think you are on to something here Cleardirect. I submit that both Federal "laws" apply, if that is even the correct term. M/B governs how the process of merging two labor groups is done. The NMB governs the definition of WHO the groups are. But I admit we are probably making new law here, since only one pilot merger to date has been determined by MB. The POR will come and go. Pay rates will go up, with a few trinkets added from the MOU. But if Silver chooses to put the question of who gets status to the test, I predict years of litigation and no merger of any groups. Which might be exactly what Parker and the gang wants anyway. I still say "dismissed" will be the ruling, but won't be crying any tears if it is otherwise. Separate ops and a shuffling of aircraft may or may not work out in my personal favor! RR

 

[traderjake]

If he had taken time to read the actual complaint, paid attention to what happens in BK (the last 2 times), or even called McKee he would have gotten the truth.

The truth like when McKee says we left $400 million on the table when we voted in the MOU?

 

[Reed Richards]

Five addition years of LOA 93.

Wages and time off never to be recovered.

Traderjake. If the POR comes and goes prior to Silver's trial, how do we get 5 more years of LOA 93? I am asking. RR

 

[traderjake]

Traderjake. If the POR comes and goes prior to Silver's trial, how do we get 5 more years of LOA 93? I am asking. RR

The last 5 years with no new contract under USAPA.

 

[Reed Richards]

The truth like when McKee says we left $400 million on the table when we voted in the MOU?

I am sure he did. Then explain to me why he and the other CLT reps sent the MOU out for a vote? The Company would not accept anything other than a total vote of recommendation from the BPR. Why did McKee cave? He could have stopped it and put us on another path (one a minority of thoughtful pilots believed was best) I know the answer. Someday you may or may not know the truth. Maybe McKee can fill you in. By the way, have you asked him about these filings in the AMR BK court. Was he opposed? RR

 

[Reed Richards]

The last 5 years with no new contract under USAPA.

Thanks for clearing that up. I personally have moved past the "loss." 75% of our pilots did also. But you can spend the rest of your career lamenting the loss, and never embracing a process that moves us to things better. But I know I am not going to change your mind. I have read enough here to know you despise your fellow pilots that did not accept the NIC. You are honest and straight forward about that opinion, I respect that. RR

 

[traderjake]

I am sure he did. Then explain to me why he and the other CLT reps sent the MOU out for a vote? The Company would not accept anything other than a total vote of recommendation from the BPR. Why did McKee cave?

He didn't want to be recalled, he said so in the CLT update.

Charlotte Domicile Update
Tuesday, 18 June 2013 21:32

The $40 million
All we can say is that this inadequate lump sum payment is better than a sharp stick in the eye! For 2 days during the recent BPR meeting, we witnessed how a group of pilots can quibble over distribution methodologies that were sometimes crafted to purposefully leave segments of our pilots out of a more inclusive methodology, even when it equated to fighting over $200/pilot. These same pilots freely accepted this pittance of a “signing bonus” (not our term) refusing to fight for the up to $400 million that we believe might have been available had we unified our efforts. Fighting over hundreds versus the hundreds of millions that we all deserve only brings pause and a head shake from some of us on the BPR.

Charlotte Domicile Update
Friday, 22 February 2013 20:14

We can also report that the CLT recall attempt was extremely harmful in our effort to get you adequate returns. It couldn’t have happened at a worse time, and we are sure that management is delighted with the actions of the pilots who were behind it.

 

[Reed Richards]

He didn't want to be recalled, he said so in the CLT update.



The $40 million
All we can say is that this inadequate lump sum payment is better than a sharp stick in the eye! For 2 days during the recent BPR meeting, we witnessed how a group of pilots can quibble over distribution methodologies that were sometimes crafted to purposefully leave segments of our pilots out of a more inclusive methodology, even when it equated to fighting over $200/pilot. These same pilots freely accepted this pittance of a "signing bonus" (not our term) refusing to fight for the up to $400 million that we believe might have been available had we unified our efforts. Fighting over hundreds versus the hundreds of millions that we all deserve only brings pause and a head shake from some of us on the BPR.

Charlotte Domicile Update
            Friday, 22 February 2013 20:14

We can also report that the CLT recall attempt was extremely harmful in our effort to get you adequate returns. It couldn't have happened at a worse time, and we are sure that management is delighted with the actions of the pilots who were behind it.

Thanks Trader. And I will let it go after this, you are very clear about your personal views, McKee..not so much. So he voted to send out an MOU he believed was not in my (our) best interest because he wanted to keep a union job that would end in 6 months anyway? Not to mention a recall would take months, and would never happen! I don't expect you to speak for him. At least if you were my rep I could count on you to tell me how you felt, and how you would vote. I could count on it. RR

 

[traderjake]

So he voted to send out an MOU he believed was not in my (our) best interest because he wanted to keep a union job that would end in 6 months anyway? Not to mention a recall would take months, and would never happen!

He would have been recalled if he prevented the MOU from being sent out for a vote and yes, he would do anything to stay in power.

It's obvious he wants to replace Gary.

 

[Claxon]

I think you are on to something here Cleardirect. I submit that both Federal "laws" apply, if that is even the correct term. M/B governs how the process of merging two labor groups is done. The NMB governs the definition of WHO the groups are. But I admit we are probably making new law here, since only one pilot merger to date has been determined by MB. The POR will come and go. Pay rates will go up, with a few trinkets added from the MOU. But if Silver chooses to put the question of who gets status to the test, I predict years of litigation and no merger of any groups. Which might be exactly what Parker and the gang wants anyway. I still say "dismissed" will be the ruling, but won't be crying any tears if it is otherwise. Separate ops and a shuffling of aircraft may or may not work out in my personal favor! RR

Enron Air and Doug Skilling are embroiled in another scam of personal info leaks. Ever since your
company took the first Leonidas breach lightly, the Leonidas group has enabled countless data leaks with your company compliance. Someone should sue.

 

[Claxon]

Now I am really confused. Are you and/or the Company saying after you get the NIC, a combined list, you should still have a seat at the table? RR

The Table should be a long mahogany one and the subject Leonidas and Enron Air personal data leaks.

 

[traderjake]

I have read enough here to know you despise your fellow pilots that did not accept the NIC.

I despise what they did, not them.

Ask the people I fly with.

This board is for entertainment and blowing off steam, it's not flying the line.

 

[Claxon]

Are you even aware of your company and its'
latest security leak? All of you need LifelockTM for the rest of your careers until the Leonidas henchmen are finally jailed for the leaks. Your company takes security with personal information with a cavalier attitude. Elise and Russ have allowed massive data leaks.

 

[Reed Richards]

I despise what they did, not them.

Ask the people I fly with.

This board is for entertainment and blowing off steam, it's not flying the line.

Agreed. I stand corrected.And:What do you, McKee, and myself have in common? None of us will ever be President of USAPA.What do you, McKee, myself, and Lance Armstrong have in common? None of us have ever won a Tour de France.What do you, McKee, and my self NOT have in common with Lance...the three of us can still win a Tour de France.RR