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No. Only active pilots show on the perm bid. To see the full list have to go to the yearly seniority list.
August 2013 Pilot Discussion
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You're only saying that now because USAPA and DOH have been such categorical failures. Remember? DOH or Death? Nobody was willing to bend an inch back when it mattered and now, featherbedding, you act as if you're group was maleable and reasonable. Wrong. You did it to yourselves. A Career that had already been damaged got pushed over a financial cliff because of a handfull of lying, emotional nitwits.
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Then I guess the former US Airways shouldn't have had anyone with a DOH greater than five years on furlough. If you can go back and fix that problem on the east list then the NIC should be fine according to your assessment. Not sure how why you think an active west pilot should be junior to a furloughed east pilot when dealing with a seniority integration.
1. Wow...Pi is going all psycho over ...."answere the question".... He did answere the question, but since nobody seems to be able to read plain English I will make it even more plain.
NO......if that was too simple...how about...NO AOL did not advise the West to vote in favor of the MOU then claim the MOU was illegal.
2. How did Cleary trademark a registered trademark of the US pickelballers Association? Beets the he'll out of me but I do remember some scab over there making waves about using the initials u s a p a for other than official business, and that is why I first just quit using capital letters, then said screw it and just call them scabs.
3. The Seniority section of the TA is complete, and never had or required dual ratification. The choice was you easties could stay on LOA93 into perpetuity, or negotiate a nic inclusive contract.
4. The east is going to have a cow when they see the upcoming West vacancy bid! I hear it will be out next week.
5. The only east poster making any sense is Kerosen....except he is off slightly on what the MOU says. 10h of the MOU says that the MOU will not change the listS at LCC...but that is while we are LCC, once we are the New American...we change to the process in paragraph 10, which is MB...(and no not MB lite, MBesque,MBsimilar, but MB). So, uscaba( again don't want to violate any trademark right, but you all know who I am talking about) can try to negotiate a combined list with the APA, but that will go nowhere, because exactly who in the last 6 years has negotiated anything with uscaba (answere, not a soul because all the other players actually do fear the "pain of an unquestionably ripe DFR).
so, it is off to arbitration where the only accepted system seniority list ever reached at LCC (I.e. The Nic) will be used to integrate the pilots for the new company!
Have a nice day!
NO......if that was too simple...how about...NO AOL did not advise the West to vote in favor of the MOU then claim the MOU was illegal.
2. How did Cleary trademark a registered trademark of the US pickelballers Association? Beets the he'll out of me but I do remember some scab over there making waves about using the initials u s a p a for other than official business, and that is why I first just quit using capital letters, then said screw it and just call them scabs.
3. The Seniority section of the TA is complete, and never had or required dual ratification. The choice was you easties could stay on LOA93 into perpetuity, or negotiate a nic inclusive contract.
4. The east is going to have a cow when they see the upcoming West vacancy bid! I hear it will be out next week.
5. The only east poster making any sense is Kerosen....except he is off slightly on what the MOU says. 10h of the MOU says that the MOU will not change the listS at LCC...but that is while we are LCC, once we are the New American...we change to the process in paragraph 10, which is MB...(and no not MB lite, MBesque,MBsimilar, but MB). So, uscaba( again don't want to violate any trademark right, but you all know who I am talking about) can try to negotiate a combined list with the APA, but that will go nowhere, because exactly who in the last 6 years has negotiated anything with uscaba (answere, not a soul because all the other players actually do fear the "pain of an unquestionably ripe DFR).
so, it is off to arbitration where the only accepted system seniority list ever reached at LCC (I.e. The Nic) will be used to integrate the pilots for the new company!
Have a nice day!
Hey idiot...using DOH puts east pilots with up to 9 years less LOS senior to the greater tenured West captains.
Until you morons get it through your thick skulls that DOH ain't going to happen....you are going to be paid the LOA 93 rates and work rules.
But, but, but,Nic4us, how can that be when we just voted in this MOU? I will leave that up to you to figure out.....Kerosen understands!
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United States Patent and Trademark Office
Word Mark USAPA
Goods and Services IC 035. US 100 101 102. G & S: Labor unions. FIRST USE: 20080418. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 20080418
Standard Characters Claimed
Mark Drawing Code (4) STANDARD CHARACTER MARK
Serial Number 85774309
Filing Date November 8, 2012
Current Basis 1A
Original Filing Basis 1A
Published for Opposition April 23, 2013
Registration Number 4364282
Registration Date July 9, 2013
Owner (REGISTRANT) Cleary, Captain Michael J. INDIVIDUAL UNITED STATES (address deleted)
Type of Mark SERVICE MARK
Register PRINCIPAL
Live/Dead Indicator LIVE
Word Mark USAPA
Goods and Services IC 035. US 100 101 102. G & S: Labor unions. FIRST USE: 20080418. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 20080418
Standard Characters Claimed
Mark Drawing Code (4) STANDARD CHARACTER MARK
Serial Number 85774309
Filing Date November 8, 2012
Current Basis 1A
Original Filing Basis 1A
Published for Opposition April 23, 2013
Registration Number 4364282
Registration Date July 9, 2013
Owner (REGISTRANT) Cleary, Captain Michael J. INDIVIDUAL UNITED STATES (address deleted)
Type of Mark SERVICE MARK
Register PRINCIPAL
Live/Dead Indicator LIVE
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No you don't, if you did you'd quit repeating the same stupid stuff.
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Just to be clear, I don't think DOH OR NIC is going to happen. We need to face the fact that there is no real way to fix this 8 year old mess. All we can do is say "OK its now 2014 and we are merging with AA, lets put the 3 together" Anybody still wanting NIC or DOH in regards to US/AWA can do nothing but hurt this group by continuing to sue. Anything other than accepting the fact that it is 2013 and not 2005 can only put a severe hurt on us, and by us I mean both east and west. I know that AOL's fall back position is arbitration will give them the NIC. By the time we would see arbitration for this it will be 2015, 10 years removed from 2005. I don't think any arbitrator panel is going to concern themselves with a "tentative list" from an uncompleted SLI that resided in an old and now void contract and T/A. Even the courts are having trouble with this and the T/A is still active (for an estimated 30 days more or so) I am 99% sure the east can live with this scenario and go on with life as the worlds largest airline. the question is can AOL give up the dream of being instant captains or widebody captains and also go on with life. What we have is kinda like the cold war was in my view, neither side can win, both sides can do pretty well by agreeing not to nuke each other, and both sides can only lose by pushing this mess into the realm of post POR.
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I don't think any arbitration panel is going to disregard the final and binding work of a highly respected colleague.
If it goes to a 3 way I predict the first thing the MB arbitration panel will do is combine the East and West list to reflect the Nicolau Award.
Well said. The problem is just like the Hatfields and Mccoys can both groups come to a truce? That will take some soul searching on both sides. One can only hope.
Bob, captain of the tractor, rototiller and the jon boat
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I don't think the 3 person panel will care after this amount of time considering that the courts can't even figure it out, but you may be right. If you are right It still probably wont matter because Parker will probably Nuke both our groups before it can get that far. Remember that "unclear and muddy" language in the MOU? No, I still say any more suits by AOL for NIC or any from the east for DOH concerning us/awa can do nothing but hurt us all. You can bet parker has a contingency plan for all this...and no it is NOT impose the NIC.
Bingo , we have a winner, DUI will drag this out through the courts(his neutral filings aint so neutral) at least another 6 years, since the MOU the EAST, yes EAST gave up SCOPE and COC language my opinion DUI will set up WEST bases in CLT, PHL, LAX, keeping their block hours and leaving this group the lowest cost by "FAR" MAJOR carrier for the next 6 years! One only has to look at their treatment of EAGLE to see where this train will go!
I highly suspect Parker's plan is to remain "neutral".
Further, the courts have figured it out. Perhaps you are under the wrong impression of what the courts have ruled.
No court to to date has vacated the Nicolau Award.
The West pilot class retains the legal rights to enforce the Nic. AOL can get class citification to sue for the Nic, but,
they cannot legally negotiate away the award.
Well in case you haven't noticed your so called enforcement effort of the NIC has the same effect as keeping illegal aliens out of ARIZONA! When it gets to a real federal court let us know how your doing!
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