August 2013 Pilot Discussion

[cleardirect]

The west has every intention of torpedoing this merger. Remember to aim ahead of the moving ship, unless it is going backwards!

More delusion.

It was the east that filed suit in NY claiming that theory. The court convinced usapa to drop that foolish pursuit.

It is once again usapa in BK court demanding attention and trying to derail the merger. Not the west.

Read the companies filings. They are concerned that any delay will cost them. Using the Nicolau does not cause a delay or any more legal battles.

uspaa continuing to fight delays the integration of US Airways and American. So once again your view of the world is 180 degrees opposite of the facts.

 

[cleardirect]

The American pilots will be far less tolerant of the America West stench.

And you think they'll be your best buds 🙂

Which side has been in change for the last 6 years? Usapa, east controlled. Not the west.

It was not the west that ok out USA today ads embarrassing themselves. It was not the west that has filed multiple law suits only to have the dismissed. (NY, statis quo, BK, RICO)

It is not the west that has threaded an arbitrator with a federal law suit.

Oh I think the American pilots have a very good understanding about where the stink is coming from.

 

[Phoenix]

More delusion.
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So how about it Clear.. Do you still maintain that Congress prohibits you from freely choosing a process consistent with MB?

Delusional

 

[Pi brat]

Okay, how is this for a scenario. The APA is certified as the bargaining agent. FUKU says they still represent the LCC pilots during the SLI process. The West says, NFW, we want our actual agent to represent us, not the former agent.

Now who do you think will win that argument?

USAPA. If that could happen what good is MB? Can I pick out who I want to represent me?

 

[Pi brat]

So how about it Clear.. Do you still maintain that Congress prohibits you from freely choosing a process consistent with MB?

Delusional

My neighbor and I can to an agreement on property lines that wasn't exactly NC law. Am I in trouble?

 

[cleardirect]

Please give me a scenario where USAPA does NOT represent the pilots of US Airways during the entire M/B process? Prechilli, you know better, your comments are just FUD. And as I have said here many times, the moneys in USAPA's treasury do not automatically go to APA or our own pilots. USAPA can still exist without being the bargaining agent, just as LEO does. And again, does anyone remember ALPA refunding any of our dues on exit? I must have missed that check. RR

The scenario where usapa does not represent the pilots is as soon as the APA is declared the exclusive bargaining agent. Read those words again. EXCLUSIVE bargaining agent. Usapa loves to tell anyone that will listen they are the exclusive bargaining agent. Read from the last usapa filing. The company must treat only with the exclusive bargaining agent.

From the NMB certifies the APA the company by usapa' s own filing has to treat only with the exclusive bargaining agent. Usapa will no longer exist. Why is this concept so hard for you to understand?

You easties have argued that usapa can somehow compromise with the west because seniority has not been settled. Did the west get to keep ALPA until seniority was settled? Why would usapa get to stick around?

When ALPA was voted off did the entire ALPA organization cease to exist or just a couple outlets? When usapa is buried the entire organization goes away.

Plus didn't your MEC own national a bunch of money? Why would you get a refund if you owed them money?

 

[Pi brat]

FUKU will not be a player for SLI talks- they will be long gone by then. And FUKU sheep will be paying for their own court costs and the FUKU sheep will have to start from scratch because the APA will take over the appeal from Silvers case. The FUKU sheep won't own the appeal, APA will

Like I asked Nic, if the bigger union can come in, be elected the CBA and take over negotiations, what good is MB?

 

[Phoenix]

Okay, how is this for a scenario. The APA is certified as the bargaining agent. FUKU says they still represent the LCC pilots during the SLI process. The West says, NFW, we want our actual agent to represent us, not the former agent.

Now who do you think will win that argument?

Did you even read the MOU you voted for? You are acting like a Fodase clown.

 

[Pi brat]

The scenario where usapa does not represent the pilots is as soon as the APA is declared the exclusive bargaining agent. Read those words again. EXCLUSIVE bargaining agent. Usapa loves to tell anyone that will listen they are the exclusive bargaining agent. Read from the last usapa filing. The company must treat only with the exclusive bargaining agent.

From the NMB certifies the APA the company by usapa' s own filing has to treat only with the exclusive bargaining agent. Usapa will no longer exist. Why is this concept so hard for you to understand?

You easties have argued that usapa can somehow compromise with the west because seniority has not been settled. Did the west get to keep ALPA until seniority was settled? Why would usapa get to stick around?

Just because they are no longer the CBA they "no longer exist?" What, they just go poof? Like it or not, you guys sued USAPA, not me or my fellow east pilots. They are defendants in a lawsuit, shouldn't they have the legal right to defend themselves?

 

[traderjake]

The American pilots will be far less tolerant of the America West stench.

You might try actually talking to some American pilots or someone in APA and see what they think of USAPA instead of making stuff up.

 

[cleardirect]

I do. I think it will end up being a "hybrid" solution, based on a "snap shot" taken at the POR, of the three lists. It will take into account relative position and category of aircraft, with some method of accommodation for LOS and will incorporate fences and "no bump, no flush language". It will not even remotely resemble the NIC.

I think the West should and probably will have some kind of independent representation at the table for the negotiations and or arbitration called for in the MOU. They will then have the "opportunity" to advocate for use of the NIC in that process and based on the numbers will, most likely, not be successful in that regard.


seajay

Your theory completely ignores the court case.

How does your theory hold up with a federal injunction requiring the use of the Nicolau list?

 

[Pi brat]

Your theory completely ignores the court case.

How does your theory hold up with a federal injunction requiring the use of the Nicolau list?

Uh did I miss something? Do Judge Silver issue a ruling and injunction?

 

[cleardirect]

Like I asked Nic, if the bigger union can come in, be elected the CBA and take over negotiations, what good is MB?

You mean like usapa coming in and trying to toss out arbitration? What good is arbitration if the majority can ignore it?

Educate your self. Read the TWA arbitration. The method is described in there.

 

[snapthis]

USAPA is a National union. As was ALPA. MEC's have no meaning here. We left ALPA and no dues came back our way. Why do you think you will get dues from USAPA? (unless per the CBL they decide to refund them?) RR

Didn't a lot of you stop paying ALPA up to a year prior to the USAPA experiment? Why would dues come back your way?

 

[cleardirect]

Uh did I miss something? Do Judge Silver issue a ruling and injunction?

Reading comprehension dude.

The walls must be closing in on you.