August 2013 Pilot Discussion

[Phoenix]

My neighbor and I can to an agreement on property lines that wasn't exactly NC law. Am I in trouble?

If you lived in the region later occupied by NC, they may (might) grandfather you to old laws if you wished, but I doubt they would prohibit you from adopting a new agreement consistent with the new laws, as Cleardirect begs and pleads for us to believe.

 

[Phoenix]

Your theory completely ignores the court case.

How does your theory hold up with a federal injunction requiring the use of the Nicolau list?

Where is Fodase when ya need him? "Clown".

 

[Pi brat]

Reading comprehension dude.

The walls must be closing in on you.

Perhaps it's your writing skills and conspiracy theories?

Some of you guys have a tendency to make very complex issues look simple, and then when they don't work you are frustrated. Saying "We'll just write this MOU this way, have everyone vote for it, file a lawsuit saying it's illegal, get an injunction and before USAPA can appeal, they will be replaced! Simple, just send cash!" is sort of like Ike planning D Day and saying "Okay boys, here's what we're going to do. We get a bunch of these boat thingys with ramps, load 'em up with guys with guns, land in France, kick the German's rears, march to Berlin, bada bing, we're done! Lunch anyone?" And in fairness, Seham's sales job of USAPA.

Have you actually read USAPA's C&BLs about dissolving the union?

 

[Pi brat]

If you lived in the region later occupied by NC, they may (might) grandfather you to old laws if you wished, but I doubt they would prohibit you from adopting a new agreement consistent with the new laws, as Cleardirect begs and pleads for us to believe.

Clear has me worried. NC law is really specific about child support, by my ex and I agreed to something else(she got much more), am I in trouble?

 

[nic4us]

Like I asked Nic, if the bigger union can come in, be elected the CBA and take over negotiations, what good is MB?

MB guarantees access to a fair process via section 3 and 13 of AM.

That is entirely removed from who the exclusive bargaining agent will be.

 

[nic4us]

Clear has me worried. NC law is really specific about child support, by my ex and I agreed to something else(she got much more), am I in trouble?

You are if you quit paying her and she decides to collect.

In your analogy, FUKU decided to quit paying the West, and we are collecting.

 

[Pi brat]

MB guarantees access to a fair process via section 3 and 13 of AM.

That is entirely removed from who the exclusive bargaining agent will be.

So what am I missing? That seems to be the former CBA to me.

 

[Pi brat]

You are if you quit paying her and she decides to collect.

In your analogy, FUKU decided to quit paying the West, and we are collecting.

So does she collect what we BOTH AGREED TO, the higher amount, or what the law says?

Let's look at another analogy. We agree to a separation agreement. What if I enticed her to agree to less personal property by offering more child support than the state's guidlines, then after we made the agreement I went to court to have just the child support lowered, because it "didn't meet the law'? Would that be ethical? Sound familiar?

 

[nic4us]

So does she collect what we BOTH AGREED TO, the higher amount, or what the law says?

She collects what she was awarded by the court, and if she has to take you to court to enforce it, might ask them to adjust it up to reflect what you agreed to past the settlement.

 

[nic4us]

So what am I missing? That seems to be the former CBA to me.

You are missing that the APA can oversee a fair process.

Just give each party equal representation to make their case.

There is no requirement of maintaining a separate bargaining agent for each party, otherwise FUKU would not even be the current agent for the West.

 

[Phoenix]

MB guarantees access to a fair process via section 3 and 13 of AM.

That is entirely removed from who the exclusive bargaining agent will be.

Didn't you listen to Cleardirect, we can't use MB. Stay on message Bro.

 

[Phoenix]

Clear has me worried. NC law is really specific about child support, by my ex and I agreed to something else(she got much more), am I in trouble?

Yes. You must give "the more" you agreed to and you will be further fined to give more to the state.

 

[Pi brat]

You are missing that the APA can oversee a fair process.

Just give each party equal representation to make their case.

There is no requirement of maintaining a separate bargaining agent for each party, otherwise FUKU would not even be the current agent for the West.

Really? So all 13000 of us get to make our case? I'm not real comfortable with our merger committee, especially after seeing that west jackwagon on that website I posted last night. Let's just shut down the airlines for a few days, rent out a football stadium........

 

[Pi brat]

Yes. You must give "the more" you agreed to and you will be further fined to give more to the state.

Anybody have Marty Harper's number? ;-)

 

[Freighterguynow]

You might try actually talking to some American pilots or someone in APA and see what they think of USAPA instead of making stuff up.

Best man - Eagle rep.

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