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It just hit me. We have been tricked. Judge Silver, APA, AMR, USAPA, US Airways, and the UCC all conspired to fool the East pilots. Even though the MOU specifically says it has no effect on listS East and West, all the parties met in secret and agreed it really did have an effect, in fact Judge Silver will soon say NIC is it. Just because the East pilots were briefed (and voted accordingly) by their union the MOU in fact implemented no combined list of any kind, DOH or NIC, it will do exactly that. Even though the original transition agreement dies on the date of the POR, Judge Silver is going use it anyway, and say the MOU was a completed contract East and West. She tricked us all by telling Marty Harper it did not have to be the NIC. We have all fallen for this ruse, we are screwed. Here comes the NIC! RR General Ackbar "It's a trap!!"
 
The court is not going to allow the east to grab all of the upgrades, get 1700 furloughs back to work and new hires while the west gets nothing. That is not going to be ignored like it never happened and we start with the facts today.
Only a bit over 500 came back from furlough. I know 1700 sounds better for your rants, but if you wanting to use "facts" to support your position quit tossing a bunch of fictional returned furloughed pilots into the mix. I have never counted the number of east retirements since 2005, but that alone will probably cover many of the returned furloughed guys. The list of east guys out on medical since 2005 would probably cover the rest.
 
You really have no clue what life is like and many of us seasoned aviators ......

Whew! Please do expand on that a bit, and explain to everyone here just "what life is like". Your wisdom and experience there must naturally exceed all others. "You really have no clue.." stands on it's own merits methinks. 😉

Per: " many of us seasoned aviators ...."..? With what? Perhaps a bit of Basil?...Garlic?...Kimchi?...or Thyme? (certainly not to be confused with Time of course). No matter. I'd best stop before any "spartans", "knights" or "dire wolves" are loosed on me. "You really have no clue what life is like and many of us seasoned aviators ......" Wow! Thanks for the finest Joke of the Day that's been registered here in very long while, if not ever. 🙂
 
Only a bit over 500 came back from furlough. I know 1700 sounds better for your rants, but if you wanting to use "facts" to support your position quit tossing a bunch of fictional returned furloughed pilots into the mix.

Dont confuse Prechill with facts... he and Clear are living in a self induced delusional state. I like it where they say the East is going to stagnate when in fact the East is hiring 20 per month indefinitely, has double digit Captain vacancies every bid, 2nd year Captains, more wide bodies, and has 170 retirements next year. Meanwhile over on the West side, no Nic, Minimal retirements, no growth, no ability to bid out of PHX, nothing but more stagnation for the foreseeable future... The Nic is dead, Silver will clear that up once and for all in September. Clear and Perchill will self implode.. its going to be an ugly thing to watch.

Skier
 
prechilill, on 12 August 2013 - 10:17 AM, said:
You really have no clue what life is like and many of us seasoned aviators ......

Dont confuse Prechill with facts... he and Clear are living in a self induced delusional state.

It'd certainly be difficult to argue with that.
 
Clean slate means exactly that. It's a box of chocolates. Yes to the Nic if you can swing it and same goes for DOH.

You think that just because we delayed implementation of the Nicolau award that we get rewarded with a "clean slate"? Not likely.
 
prechilill, on 12 August 2013 - 10:17 AM, said:
You really have no clue what life is like and many of us seasoned aviators ......



It'd certainly be difficult to argue with that.

How about dogfighting with it, then? Hmmmm
 
prechilill, on 12 August 2013 - 10:17 AM, said:
You really have no clue what life is like and many of us seasoned aviators ......

Same seasoned aviators that couldn't stay on a taxiway in BDL? Or are you talking about he seasoned aviators that banged it on in TPA? Or maybe the tail strikes (plural) executed by seasoned aviators? Take a rest Colonel. Our east crap stinks just like everybody else's.
 
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Goober

Did AFO Bradford actually show up at the Smithsonian Air and Space Museum in uniform for that pic? Thanks for the reminder of how he and his pals brought the USAPA circus and ringmaster Seham to our house as well.

They never cease to amaze.

I guess you have never been to Pittsburgh, as that is where the picture was taken. By a reporter I, I believe.

He looks more like a westie in that leather jacket.
 
The west was prepared for any outcome of the arbitration. Can you say the same?

The west is prepared for any outcome from the court. Can you say the same?

You and the rest of the easties have got it wrong again. The west is not trying to claim the MOU is illegal. We are claiming what usapa did was illegal. Easy fix. The court issues an injunction requiring usapa to use the arbitrated list for the integration between US Airways pilots and American pilots. The MOU stays exactly the same. M/B process for intgration.

Yes, I can say that. I can say it about September 24th, because you certainly don't seem like it.

So it's what USAPA did that was illegal. With one of the members of USAPA that produced the offending document being Ken Holmes, NAC member and key leader in AOL. That's my point.
 
Words just fail me after reading TR's rant. Must be a community college thing... the revisionist history is amazing.

We are where we are because of the greed of children like TR- the temper tantrum thrown back in 2007. Nothing else. It's not Parker, it's not the west, it's not Nicolau- it's because of cry babies like TR that got us to where we are.

The ONLY obstacle which stood in the way of implementing Nicolau was the fact the JCBA was not completed. Period. Nothing else. Self hostage taking is exactly what it means- and the east handed Parker a billion in savings. Your choice- you had the numbers and could control whether we got a JCBA or not.

Well, now we have a template for a JCBA and the company, APA and AOL all believe we have a contract. TR and his cry babies are no longer in control, the Nic is on the horizon (the case is now ripe, even by the high standards of ripeness set by the "wisdom of the 9th" as TR called the appeals court above). Silver now has everything she needs to box in FUKU.
Two moves away from checkmate. Life is good... for the west pilots and American pilots.

Obviously words don't fail you, as you are posting. What fails you, every time, is reasoning and logic. You question my education, yet your posts point to your obvious deficiency in IQ and reasoning ability. I'm starting to think you really have a crush on me, and are obviously jealous.

It is not revisionist history at all. Show me one fact that you can dispute. You never have been able to, not once. What you, Monkee, clear and so many west pilots spew is simplified history. You say "The east didn't live up to it's agreement of binding arbitration and that's what got us here!" That is true, but it leaves out the timing and other relevant events that led us to where we are, including certain west decisions. That is a fact.

You may be right about the future pre. It may fall into place just like your predict. But, I hate to break something to you. I'm doing just fine and will be just fine no matter what happens on 9/24. Sorry.
 
But again, your lack of understanding, growing up in a protected environment, all that is coming home to roost. You really have no clue what life is like and many of us seasoned aviators who earned our jobs can see what you are unable to see... and your inability to understand reality is evident from your own posts. Your bubble is bursting, PI. It will be satisfying to me and quite a few others to watch your meltdown.

Again your assumptions about me, my education, training and pretty much everything else, make you look like an idiot. I cannot understand why you can't see that.

You will see no meltdown from me. My bubble never burst, because I never had one. I never expected that ALPA's LOS strategy would work. If you would like confirmation I can tell you who to get in touch with next time you go to work. I didn't think USAPA's plan would work and I voted for ALPA, although I have to say it has been more successful than I thought.

I don't like to make predictions and if you think about it, I don't make many on here. I usually ask questions that YOU GUYS made assumptions about. I might point out what I see as weak spots in your theories(like USAPA just fading away if Judge Silver rules against them), but don't predict the outcome. I think I may have predicted a few months back that you wouldn't see an A330 this year, at least as a working pilot, and stand by that one.

I have made a few predictions over the years. Let me know how I did.

-A former roommate told me that his F/Os were scared to death that the east would get LOS. I told him to tell them not to worry, I was pretty certain that wouldn't happen.
-A west friend asked me if I thought USAPA would be elected. I told him that if the west didn't make some concessions to the Nic I was 90% sure they would. I told him that I didn't think it would take much to keep it from happening(On that point we will never know.)
-The same friend asked me what I thought would happen if USAPA won. I said that I thought we would be mired in a war of legal attrition, with no contract for at least 5 years.
-A few years ago I said that absent outside intervention, we were many years away from a conclusion.

How did I do?

I get why the west is angry. I've told you that. What I can't get it the constant whining and $%$##### because your plans didn't work out like you thought and the holier than thou attitudes. You were told what the risks were with your plan because of the wording in the TA. TA be damned, you went down that path. Your right, but stop whining!

You would be a die hard USAPIAN had you been hired at US. I can tell.
 
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