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August 2013 Pilot Discussion

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traderjake said:
We have no retirement because ...
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First of all you do have a retirement. Its just different than the one you contractually had. It is a new contractual retirement that you didn't get to vote on.

Your fixation on blaming the ones who stood by your former contractual earnings in opposition to the ones who gave it back to the company is simply ridiculous. The company chose not to adequately fund the obligation they had to you and 13 voted to say that was not a problem. Excused. New retirement. And you persist in blaming the only ones who stood by the contract. Unity my ass. :lol:
 
A320 Driver said:
Bologna...he sold us out when he blocked the pension from being frozen. He knew he'd get his lump sum before anyone could do anything about it. He was confronted and didn't deny it.
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He was but one vote on the MEC. Just one, no matter what his intent or stance. We all should have been smart enough long before that, 10 years prior, and gone with a DC plan. But we were all comfortable under the ALPA blanket thinking all was well. Like Phoenix said, the real crime was the guys that terminated our pension with no vote. Glad we are having a "pension" night here, we were due a change in subject matter! RR
 
Phoenix said:
Your fixation on blaming the ones who stood by your former contractual earnings in opposition to the ones who gave it back to the company is simply ridiculous. The company chose not to adequately fund the obligation they had to you and 13 voted to say that was not a problem. Excused. New retirement. And you persist in blaming the only ones who stood by the contract. Unity my ass. :lol:
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The John Davis controlled MEC could have frozen the retirement plan but he and his cronys thought it was better for them to get million dollar lump sums and didn't care if the plan went broke.

Do you expect us to believe the 13 voted away their own retirements because they were in bed with the company?

Don't spend your retirement ignorance all in one place. 😀
 
traderjake said:
The John Davis controlled MEC could have frozen the retirement plan but he and his cronys thought it was better for them to get million dollar lump sums and didn't care if the plan went broke.

Don't spend your retirement ignorance all in one place. 😀
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That is pure speculation. The vote that swapped out your retirement is not.

I could speculate that you are projecting jealousy against Davis because of your inability to sacrifice everyone behind you in exchange for a pay out... but that would just be speculation, and speculating evil motives of other pilots without proof wouldn't promote unity. :lol:
 
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Reed Richards said:
Why ask for new info when you still don't have our pension history straight! Just kidding A320. Cactusboy knows the story. My lips are sealed (so far.) RR
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It kind of went down like this, maybe worse.....Trying to undo the Nicolau...And the west did it to themselves which makes it that much better! Metroyet will not be around for quite a while after this one.

 
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