August 2013 Pilot Discussion

[nycbusdriver]

Interesting, the leadership at the West Class HQ has some very, very bad (and self inflicted) news for its devotees. Why are they not releasing said news? I suspect they know donations to LEO will drop off accordingly. I now know why certain individuals are absent here. Wow. Silver's decision making process just got a lot more simple. RR (doing my very best Chip Munn impression)

WTF? Just say what you think has happened. Even CM is more forthcoming with information, even if it is often wrong.

I nominate you for Chair of the USAPA Comm Committee.

 

[767one]

I see, was he the original old senior person who had disdain for guys junior to him. I am not sure but I am unaware of him ever peppering a message board to rally folks to pull the ladder up.

Seems to me keeping a lump sum is a good example. Voting it away, not so much.

John was a guy who would go full bore to protect those of any seniority.For those who got away with a lump sum I say God bless them!

All the best,

Bob

 

[CallawayGolf]

Bazinga! That WAS a quick answer! My source is solid, the events are fact. Nuff said. RR

I'm just looking for facts or information. The only protest I'm making is that people have repeatedly come on this board out saying they have information when in fact they are just tolling for attention and making baseless claims. If that's not you, then why not summarize what you know or heard?

I've on several occasions stated that I thought the second DFR claim tied to the MOU would probably not succeed. With or without the merger filing another DFR in the Ninth jurisdiction without a JCBA in effect had little chance of yielding positive results. If Silver has now confirmed that in one form or another, why would I not want to hear the context in which she made a statement or issued an order, since that's what I have expected all along?

Now if the Company's appeal on Silver's DJ order has had some movement, then that would be real news to me. What Silver does and says in this DFR suit holds only a moderate level of interest for me.

 

[767one]

WOW. I was in BOS for 37 hrs. Weather was beautiful. I can only presume that your multiple posts & tone, that your britches must be in a twist.

I'll be home for a couple days, then back to the grind. Gutters, lawn & gardens are on the agenda for tomorrow.

Have a great day.

I never wasted a minute a of any BOS ron. That is one of the things I miss in retirement.

 

[Phoenix]

I'm just looking for facts or information. The only protest I'm making is that people have repeatedly come on this board out saying they have information when in fact they are just tolling for attention and making baseless claims. If that's not you, then why not summarize what you know or heard?

I've on several occasions stated that I thought the second DFR claim tied to the MOU would probably not succeed. With or without the merger filing another DFR in the Ninth jurisdiction without a JCBA in effect had little chance of yielding positive results. If Silver has now confirmed that in one form or another, why would I not want to hear the context in which she made a statement or issued an order, since that's what I have expected all along?

Now if the Company's appeal on Silver's DJ order has had some movement, then that would be real news to me. What Silver does and says in this DFR suit holds only a moderate level of interest for me.

Hmmmm. More vigorous rationalization of disinterest. Much more.

 

[Phoenix]

John was a guy who would go full bore to protect those of any seniority.For those who got away with a lump sum I say God bless them!

All the best,

Bob

Touché!

 

[traderjake]

John was a guy who would go full bore to protect those of any seniority.For those who got away with a lump sum I say God bless them!

He didn't go full bore to protect the retirement of the younger pilots.

The money in the retirement fund was for all of us, not just the guys who "got away with a lump sum".

The MEC was told more than once by the R & I Committee that the the fund needed to be frozen.

John Davis got his lump sum, we get $28,000 a year.

 

[Reed Richards]

The money in the retirement fund was for all of us, not just the guys who "got away with a lump sum".

You want to know where your retirement went?

A good part of it is in John Davis bank account.

He got a million bucks, we get $28,000 a year.

Ok. Let's sue and get a claw back on his million. Based on the now defunct distribution of the 40M that would come to about $2000 per pilot. In fact, let's get a claw back on any pilot in the last 30 years that got more than $28K a year. Go get em tiger! RR

 

[Phoenix]

He didn't go full bore to protect the retirement of the younger pilots.

The money in the retirement fund was for all of us, not just the guys who "got away with a lump sum".

You want to know where your retirement went?

A good part of it is in John Davis bank account.

He got a million bucks, we get $28,000 a year.

That is simply ridiculous. John doesn't have one single penny of yours. Every penny in his pension was earned and contractually his, otherwise you could easily get a judge to seize it from him.

The pension you earned was forfeited and swaped out by 13 sell outs that voted in the middle of the night.

 

[traderjake]

The pension you earned was forfeited and swaped out by 13 sell outs that voted in the middle of the night.

The John Davis controlled MEC refused to freeze the retirement fund after the R & I Committee told them it needed to be done.

John Davis got his lump sum.

You'll get the retirement you deserve.

Enjoy your ignorance.

 

[Phoenix]

The John Davis controlled MEC refused to freeze the retirement fund after the R & I Committee told them it needed to be done.

John Davis got his lump sum.

You'll get the retirement you deserve.

Enjoy your ignorance.

Yes he got his lump some. Thank you for correcting yourself.

What woulda coulda shoula have been done is mere speculation. The fact he stood by the contract isn't. The pilot reps were not responsible for the contractual obligations of the contract. The company was.

The 13 stooges who let the company off the hook for the retirement fund... Well how do explain it any other way than that they let the company off the hook. That is a fact. Not speculation. Pointing fingers at fellow pilots who stood by protecting the pilot contract is not the unity you seem to espouse. Excusing 13 reps for abandoning their responsibility to protect the contract is not unity, at least not with pilots.

 

[EastUS1]

WOW. I was in BOS for 37 hrs.

I'm only shocked the Boston Herald didn't have that up as front page news. "Spartans invade Bean Town!" 😉

 

[traderjake]

The 13 stooges who let the company off the hook for the retirement fund... Well how do explain it any other way than that they let the company off the hook. That is a fact. Not speculation. Pointing fingers at fellow pilots who stood by protecting the pilot contract is not the unity you seem to espouse. Excusing 13 reps for abandoning their responsibility to protect the contract is not unity, at least not with pilots.

We have no retirement because against the advice of the R & I Committee the MEC didn't freeze the plan.

John Davis got "a" lump sum, we get next to nothing.

That's the bottom line.

Youn believe whatever fairytale you want.

 

[CaptChill]

That is simply ridiculous. John doesn't have one single penny of yours. Every penny in his pension was earned and contractually his, otherwise you could easily get a judge to seize it from him.

The pension you earned was forfeited and swaped out by 13 sell outs that voted in the middle of the night.

... and that's a fact, Jack!

 

[A320 Driver]

That is simply ridiculous. John doesn't have one single penny of yours. Every penny in his pension was earned and contractually his, otherwise you could easily get a judge to seize it from him.

The pension you earned was forfeited and swaped out by 13 sell outs that voted in the middle of the night.

Bologna...he sold us out when he blocked the pension from being frozen. He knew he'd get his lump sum before anyone could do anything about it. He was confronted and didn't deny it.