Metroyet
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You're right. Loa93 for another 8 years was the best financial choice available.
August 2013 Pilot Discussion
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traderjake
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So you must be very happy then, if not quit you loser. You are one of the weak d**ks here that have helped management keep pay down, now run along and call your boyfriend Chippy.
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Chip started the Recall and the Recall ensured a vote on the MOU, no wonder he's aways on your mind.
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Yea how's that MOU working out for you so far? You are a total idiot!
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Doug called and he needs two things:
1) Your full name, spelled correctly, so he can name his next child after you and
2) A blood sample. You are exactly the kind of pilot they want. With the upcoming pilot shortage, they would like to clone you.
Bean
P.S. If you are just joking and actually think that LOA93 sucks and you'd like to be off of it sooner rather than later, please disregard the above wise @ss post.
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If luvthe9 can't have the Delta contract now he wants to stay on LOA 93.
luvthe9
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You and your Munn group are to weak to fight for a Delta contract. Still have your yellow lanyard?
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Again, guys like you,Traitor, Munn are just what the company wants. WEAK!!!!! No joking
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It's funny when the underpaid say something that is clearly untrue, unresearched, & just out right stupid.
Your low pay is on you and the USAPA faithful. AND you are paying the highest dues in the industry. Congrats!
Metroyet
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Pull your head out of the bucket of chicken long enough to understand that:
YOU ARE THE COMPANIES MOST UNFATHOMABLE DREAM COME TRUE
You stomped away from the negotiating table years ago to chase a pointless impossible dream. They have been shoveling money back to the shareholders at YOUR expense. Why? Because you DEMANDED they do it!!! Really? Your families couldn't have used a few more dollars in the last decade? As a Shareholder, I thank you for your sacrifice.
Who is the dumbest, weakest, most emotionally retarded group of idiots to ever disgrace aviation?
Guess.
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Uhm... Who pays dues twice? You were telling us about "outright stupid"..... Please, continue...
Here are your dream pilots bean. And right next to yo no less......
Hate2fly
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CB,
Your dream airline job (AWA) is the reason we all make what we make. You AWA idiots think you work for a great outfit. The AA guys have no idea what they signed up for. Tell us some more about your industry leading west contract!
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I see this is making the rounds again:
Katz & Ranzman, P.C. KATZ & RANZMAN
5028 Wisconsin Avenue, N.W., Suite 250 A t t o r n e y s a t L a w
Washington, D.C. 20016
May 3, 2007
VIA E-MAIL
Captain Philip Carey
Captain Robert Kirch
First Officer Kevin Barry
Re: US Airways-America West Seniority Integration Award
Dear Phil, Bob and Kevin:
As we discussed in our conference call this afternoon, I have enclosed the Award
I received today from George Nicolau. The combined list is composed of a series of
ratios, based on the number of positions each pilot group had in various categories as of
1/1/07. The combined list is built from the separate 1/1/07 seniority lists.
All US pilots on furlough as of 5/19/05 are junior to Dave Odell. Monda is
immediately senior to Odell. Dean Colello is immediately junior to Odell and is followed
by the 1,750 US pilots whose names appear below him on the 1/1/07 US seniority list.
The top 517 names are all US Airways pilots. This group includes 423 active
pilots plus 94 non-flying pilots (MGT, MED and LOA). The number 423 is derived from
the sum of the A330 and B767-I Captain and First Officer positions. The senior America
West pilot, Capt. McNerlin, appears on the combined list immediately senior to US pilot, DOH: x/xx//81.
The next group comprises the next most senior 167 US pilots and the top 90 AW
pilots who were flying on 1/1/07. These positions correspond to the B757 Captain jobs
as of 1/1/07. Forty-eight pilots in non-flying status (MGT, MED and LOA) are reinserted
into this group, as with the top group.
The next category corresponds to A320 and B737 Captains and consists of 873
US and 767 AW active pilots, plus 255 extracted and reinserted non-flying pilots.
Following these pilots, there are 176 US and 87 AW active pilots, corresponding to the
B757 First Officers, plus 56 extracted and reinserted non-fliers. The remaining pilots
through Monda and Odell were ratioed 840 to 718, based on the number of A320 and
B737 First Officers at the respective carriers on 1/1/07, with 224 non-fliers reinserted
after the application of the ratios to those who were active on 1/1/07.
The Award includes some Conditions and Restrictions. In addition to the
standard no-bump/no-flush provision and other stipulated Conditions and Restrictions,
Arbitrator Nicolau imposed two others of his own devising. The first is designed to
protect the access of the US pilots to the wide body, international flying they brought to
the merged carrier. It reserves 161 Captain and 262 First Officer positions on the A330
and B767 “for the top tier pre-merger US Airways pilots for a period of four years from
the date of this Award.” The condition “ceases to exist,” however, if the Age 60 rule is
changed to an Age 65 rule prior to May 1, 2011. Another condition deals with “new” and
“replacement” aircraft and gives the “replacement” positions on wide body, international
aircraft to the US pilots (up to the specified quotas) and allocates “new” jobs 2:1 on wide
bodies and 1:1 on narrow-bodies. The Award also continues the Conditions and
Restrictions of the Kagel Award (including those from the Piedmont-Empire seniority
integration), as well as the Eischen Award, which allocates EMB-190 positions.
Jim Brucia wrote a concurring and dissenting opinion, which accompanies
Arbitrator Nicolau’s Opinion and Award. Captain Brucia disagreed with the placement
of the US Airways pilots who were on furlough at the date of the announcement of the
merger. He said that most have been offered recall because of the enormous attrition at
US and that their extensive service prior to being furloughed justifies placing them higher
on the merged list.
A couple of points occur to me that may be worth mentioning. I’m sure these
observations won’t soften the devastating blow of losing the hard-fought battle with
respect to the pilots on furlough on the date of the announcement of the merger. But they
should be said now anyhow.
First, the top 517 pilots on the US list constitute a substantial number – 18% of
the pilots on the US list through Monda as of 1/1/07. The number is smaller than the
number who would occupy the top of the list on a date-of-hire list, as we proposed, but
the career choices available to these pilots will prove significant to them. Their
placement at the top of the list also improves the standing of those junior to them.
Secondly, the Arbitration Board’s use of 1/1/07 lists has allowed the junior US
pilots to benefit for seniority integration purposes from the attrition that occurred between
5/19/05 and 1/1/07 – more than 300 “attrits.” In addition, although the other side argued
that the Age 60 Rule was gone, the Board constructed the merged list on the assumption
that it would remain in effect. Also, the AW representatives argued for assumptions that
America West would have grown absent the merger and that US Airways would have
contracted further, but the Board rejected those arguments in favor of a static fleet
assumption.
We could have done worse. The other side asked the Panel to put Monda
and more than 750 other active US pilots junior to Odell. They lost on that issue.
The Conditions and Restrictions may provide some protection. For example,
condition number 5 covers the positions on “new” aircraft, such as a B777 flying to
China, which are to be allocated 2:1 in favor of the US pilots.
Finally, please accept my thanks for the opportunity to work with you on this
project. I appreciate the hard work, determination and cooperative spirit you displayed
throughout the long and exhausting process.
Very truly yours,
/s/ Daniel M. Katz
Daniel M. Katz
Katz & Ranzman, P.C. KATZ & RANZMAN
5028 Wisconsin Avenue, N.W., Suite 250 A t t o r n e y s a t L a w
Washington, D.C. 20016
May 3, 2007
VIA E-MAIL
Captain Philip Carey
Captain Robert Kirch
First Officer Kevin Barry
Re: US Airways-America West Seniority Integration Award
Dear Phil, Bob and Kevin:
As we discussed in our conference call this afternoon, I have enclosed the Award
I received today from George Nicolau. The combined list is composed of a series of
ratios, based on the number of positions each pilot group had in various categories as of
1/1/07. The combined list is built from the separate 1/1/07 seniority lists.
All US pilots on furlough as of 5/19/05 are junior to Dave Odell. Monda is
immediately senior to Odell. Dean Colello is immediately junior to Odell and is followed
by the 1,750 US pilots whose names appear below him on the 1/1/07 US seniority list.
The top 517 names are all US Airways pilots. This group includes 423 active
pilots plus 94 non-flying pilots (MGT, MED and LOA). The number 423 is derived from
the sum of the A330 and B767-I Captain and First Officer positions. The senior America
West pilot, Capt. McNerlin, appears on the combined list immediately senior to US pilot, DOH: x/xx//81.
The next group comprises the next most senior 167 US pilots and the top 90 AW
pilots who were flying on 1/1/07. These positions correspond to the B757 Captain jobs
as of 1/1/07. Forty-eight pilots in non-flying status (MGT, MED and LOA) are reinserted
into this group, as with the top group.
The next category corresponds to A320 and B737 Captains and consists of 873
US and 767 AW active pilots, plus 255 extracted and reinserted non-flying pilots.
Following these pilots, there are 176 US and 87 AW active pilots, corresponding to the
B757 First Officers, plus 56 extracted and reinserted non-fliers. The remaining pilots
through Monda and Odell were ratioed 840 to 718, based on the number of A320 and
B737 First Officers at the respective carriers on 1/1/07, with 224 non-fliers reinserted
after the application of the ratios to those who were active on 1/1/07.
The Award includes some Conditions and Restrictions. In addition to the
standard no-bump/no-flush provision and other stipulated Conditions and Restrictions,
Arbitrator Nicolau imposed two others of his own devising. The first is designed to
protect the access of the US pilots to the wide body, international flying they brought to
the merged carrier. It reserves 161 Captain and 262 First Officer positions on the A330
and B767 “for the top tier pre-merger US Airways pilots for a period of four years from
the date of this Award.” The condition “ceases to exist,” however, if the Age 60 rule is
changed to an Age 65 rule prior to May 1, 2011. Another condition deals with “new” and
“replacement” aircraft and gives the “replacement” positions on wide body, international
aircraft to the US pilots (up to the specified quotas) and allocates “new” jobs 2:1 on wide
bodies and 1:1 on narrow-bodies. The Award also continues the Conditions and
Restrictions of the Kagel Award (including those from the Piedmont-Empire seniority
integration), as well as the Eischen Award, which allocates EMB-190 positions.
Jim Brucia wrote a concurring and dissenting opinion, which accompanies
Arbitrator Nicolau’s Opinion and Award. Captain Brucia disagreed with the placement
of the US Airways pilots who were on furlough at the date of the announcement of the
merger. He said that most have been offered recall because of the enormous attrition at
US and that their extensive service prior to being furloughed justifies placing them higher
on the merged list.
A couple of points occur to me that may be worth mentioning. I’m sure these
observations won’t soften the devastating blow of losing the hard-fought battle with
respect to the pilots on furlough on the date of the announcement of the merger. But they
should be said now anyhow.
First, the top 517 pilots on the US list constitute a substantial number – 18% of
the pilots on the US list through Monda as of 1/1/07. The number is smaller than the
number who would occupy the top of the list on a date-of-hire list, as we proposed, but
the career choices available to these pilots will prove significant to them. Their
placement at the top of the list also improves the standing of those junior to them.
Secondly, the Arbitration Board’s use of 1/1/07 lists has allowed the junior US
pilots to benefit for seniority integration purposes from the attrition that occurred between
5/19/05 and 1/1/07 – more than 300 “attrits.” In addition, although the other side argued
that the Age 60 Rule was gone, the Board constructed the merged list on the assumption
that it would remain in effect. Also, the AW representatives argued for assumptions that
America West would have grown absent the merger and that US Airways would have
contracted further, but the Board rejected those arguments in favor of a static fleet
assumption.
We could have done worse. The other side asked the Panel to put Monda
and more than 750 other active US pilots junior to Odell. They lost on that issue.
The Conditions and Restrictions may provide some protection. For example,
condition number 5 covers the positions on “new” aircraft, such as a B777 flying to
China, which are to be allocated 2:1 in favor of the US pilots.
Finally, please accept my thanks for the opportunity to work with you on this
project. I appreciate the hard work, determination and cooperative spirit you displayed
throughout the long and exhausting process.
Very truly yours,
/s/ Daniel M. Katz
Daniel M. Katz
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