August 2013 Pilot Discussion

[nevergiveup]

It's funny when the underpaid say something that is clearly untrue, unresearched, & just out right stupid.

Your low pay is on you and the USAPA faithful. AND you are paying the highest dues in the industry. Congrats!

and you west kids cry about it more than anyone!

 

[luvthe9]

Pull your head out of the bucket of chicken long enough to understand that:

YOU ARE THE COMPANIES MOST UNFATHOMABLE DREAM COME TRUE

You stomped away from the negotiating table years ago to chase a pointless impossible dream. They have been shoveling money back to the shareholders at YOUR expense. Why? Because you DEMANDED they do it!!! Really? Your families couldn't have used a few more dollars in the last decade? As a Shareholder, I thank you for your sacrifice.
past
Who is the dumbest, weakest, most emotionally retarded group of idiots to ever disgrace aviation?

Guess.

Your the second lowest paid in the industry, proud of that or all your scab past. Hey, where is Clear these days? Just save your money for Marty, what a waste.

 

[traderjake]

Again, guys like you,Traitor, Munn are just what the company wants. WEAK!!!!! No joking

Some people confuse courage with being stupid.

You've been fighting for 5 years to stay on LOA 93, Doug loves you for it.

 

[Phoenix]

It would also make no difference if the Leonidas subpoena produced evidence that
some West Pilots disagree with Plaintiffs’ litigation strategy. There need not be (and
probably never is) unanimous consensus in such matters. See Srail v. Village of Lisle, 249
F.R.D. 544, 552 (N.D. Ill. 2008)

The above quote is presented by the self-proclaimed reps of the putative West Class, in opposition to USAPA's subpoena for discovery against Leonidas. The Plaintiffs present this notion of a majority in an attempt to support their claim that they are adequate representatives of the West Class. They assert that a supposed democratic majority (though not proved by a vote) is good enough for the putative West Class reps to assert their power of representation over all the others of the West, yet they would deny a proven democratic majority is adequate for the elected and certified representatives of all US pilots. They can't have it both ways. Either a majority is good enough or it isn't.

In the Plaintiffs mind, an unproven/assumed democratic majority of a smaller subset is a license for the putative West reps to go about reversing the proven democratic will of the majority, held and protected by the certified reps of all US pilots.

"Incorrigible" is when hypocrites announce their plan to become thieves.


Here is a really hard question....

Question: "What do you call a really big majority within a minority subset?"​

Answer: "A new minority that is smaller than the first minority." ​

 

[snapthis]

CB,

Your dream airline job (AWA) is the reason we all make what we make. You AWA idiots think you work for a great outfit. The AA guys have no idea what they signed up for. Tell us some more about your industry leading west contract!

Hate

Us Air

The only place your airline was a legacy was in Mayberry

 

[Reed Richards]

Leo's reaction to current events starts at about 24 seconds in. Trader make a rare (rear) appearance at exactly 30 seconds.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVBPGZEVRH0

 

[EastUS1]

Who is the dumbest, weakest, most emotionally retarded group of idiots to ever disgrace aviation?

Guess.

There's no need to "Guess" at all, ye "lords and ladies of westeros", "spartans", "dire wolves", "knights" et-al, who've "fought with valor in many battles", apparently against the very "Force of Evil" it's self! 😉 Quite seriously though; anyone ever requiring a quick study of Arrested Development need look no further than such as these and their directly associated material...not to say that your postings don't serve as ample demonstration as well metro.

 

[luvthe9]

CB,

Your dream airline job (AWA) is the reason we all make what we make. You AWA idiots think you work for a great outfit. The AA guys have no idea what they signed up for. Tell us some more about your industry leading west contract!

Hate

Bingo!!!!! "industry leading contract" that's funny.

 

[Zone5]

Pull your head out of the bucket of chicken long enough to understand that:

YOU ARE THE COMPANIES MOST UNFATHOMABLE DREAM COME TRUE

You stomped away from the negotiating table years ago to chase a pointless impossible dream. They have been shoveling money back to the shareholders at YOUR expense. Why? Because you DEMANDED they do it!!! Really? Your families couldn't have used a few more dollars in the last decade? As a Shareholder, I thank you for your sacrifice.

Who is the dumbest, weakest, most emotionally retarded group of idiots to ever disgrace aviation?

Guess.

"Your families couldn't have used a few more dollars in the last decade?'

In exchange for 3% pay raise, an extra week of vacation, a handful of magic beans and the NIC? In a word NO!


seajay

 

[nycbusdriver]

Bingo!!!!! "industry leading contract" that's funny.

Yeah. It "lead" us down the toilet. We just screwed up and overshot a bit.

They should be thanking us for taking them out of last place, where they had been stuck since the day they started operations.

 

[nic4us]

"Your families couldn't have used a few more dollars in the last decade?'

In exchange for 3% pay raise, an extra week of vacation, a handful of magic beans and the NIC? In a word NO!


seajay

More like a 20% raise, 10 days of vacation, better reserve rules, better scheduling rules including better duty rigs, tafb rigs, pay for DH, cancelations and training, and yes of course the Nic, which by any definition is a fair and equitable seniority integration.

That 3% you quote was just another attempt by your scab union to do anything to get out from under the LOA93 rules. Clue for the east pilots who really are tired of the Bs the AFO club has inflicted on the pilot group. It is LOA 93 til Nic inclusive JCBA. Til then it is status quo. Well sort of status quo, your crappy contract will be further diluted by the highest agency dues fee in the industry, if not the entire nation!

 

[nic4us]

Yeah. It "lead" us down the toilet. We just screwed up and overshot a bit.

They should be thanking us for taking them out of last place, where they had been stuck since the day they started operations.

Another attempt at revising history.

You do realize that AWA was not a "legacy" carrier?

Better yet, you do realize US Air was not a "legacy" airline?

A full decade as the lowest paid pilot group of major status. Congrats! The AWA pilots have no reason to thank you, but the Horizon pilots, SkyWest pilots and other commuters will have a reason to scorn you, now that their pay is set to surpass yours and you are holding them back!

 

[Hate2fly]

Nic4,

We get that AWA was your dream airline job. You guys were leading the industry to historical highs. In the 1980's we all tried to get hired at AWA. The pay and benefits were absolutely the best. I almost forgot the lucrative pension plan. We are waiting for the AWA pilot group to lead us to the promise land. We know only the AWA pilots can get us to that level.

Hate

 

[nic4us]

Nic4,

We get that AWA was your dream airline job. You guys were leading the industry to historical highs. In the 1980's we all tried to get hired at AWA. The pay and benefits were absolutely the best. I almost forgot the lucrative pension plan. We are waiting for the AWA pilot group to lead us to the promise land. We know only the AWA pilots can get us to that level.

Hate

Nope, not at all...only the majority former AAA pilots can get themselves off LOA 93 and "to the promised land"!

As long as uscaba rejects the Nic, you are stuck. "No soup for you"!

The merger offered an out in the form of the MOU, but that also has Nic written all over it.


One more thing...I know you were not trying to get hired at AWA in the 80s.....but you were trying in 2001-2005. That is why Nic put you below your former fellow east pilots who did get hired at AWA in that time frame.

 

[EastUS1]

One more thing...I know you were not trying to get hired at AWA in the 80s.....

Good guess. 😉 Virtually the only "pilots" that did so at the time (like yourself) simply could NOT successfully achieve "airline" employment elsewhere. A "spartan" level of self-delusion's required to pretend otherwise. Spin the cold, harsh truth of that for however long it suits your needs to do.

nic4us: "...but the Horizon pilots, SkyWest pilots and other commuters will have a reason to scorn you,.." Sigh! Now I'm once more doomed to lose countless hours of sleep, purely based on the supposed "scorn" of aviation's uppermost elite, and the childish fantasies of a mighty AWA "spartan", of course. 🙂