August 2013 Pilot Discussion

[Phoenix]

It makes me wonder the goals of the DOJ. They worry about the merger driving up ticket prices. Let's say they manage to stop the merger, then what? If American can't stand alone and fails then you have fewer seats and higher fares after all. The flip side is the government, seeing another airline possibly failing, will have to do another bail-out.

They need to leave this thing alone and let the free market work or not.

Let it live or die on it's own. That way, it gives Parker fewer excuses if another merger slips through his hands.

The DOJ? Nothing they say has anything to do with their motives nor are they the folks that really matter. It's a smoke screen. Billions of dollars are at play and their is a rare opportunity to skim copious amounts of cream. None of us are likely to ever know who, how much or where. It will hardly be noticed or missed in the bustle of it all.

The more boisterous everyone's bustle, all the better, for the less we all will see. IMHO. YMMV.

P. S. How come no one ever even mentions possible interests of the international alliances... One World, Star, Skyteam... Does anyone think they have a stake???

 

[dca319]

I agree, I can't wait till USAPA is gone, Hummel, Bradford, Streble and Ray are so corrupt it makes me sick, just protecting their 200,000 plus salary at our expense, I can't wait till it all comes out. Geez who in their right mind gives up C of C and scope for nothing in return not to mention all the money left on the table.

Besmirching a founder luv? My how times have changed. Lucky Cleary came along and trademarked our union logo to hold it hostage for a big payout. So much better now.

 

[dca319]

Real men of genius who negotiated less than what the company offered.

Its been our MO for a long time.

 

[snapthis]

The DOJ? Nothing they say has anything to do with their motives nor are they the folks that really matter. It's a smoke screen. Billions of dollars are at play and their is a rare opportunity to skim copious amounts of cream. None of us are likely to ever know who, how much or where. It will hardly be noticed or missed in the bustle of it all.

The more boisterous everyone's bustle, all the better, for the less we all will see. IMHO. YMMV.

P. S. How come no one ever even mentions possible interests of the international alliances... One World, Star, Skyteam... Does anyone think they have a stake???

I'm glad to take a break from the old debate for a while.

I think the administration wants to come out as looking out for the consumer. I don't think it's well thought out.

The alliances have an interest but the question remains on their influence. How much do they have?

 

[dca319]

Why is John Taylor telling out pilots that if things go badly with Silver and the Nicolau award, that we'll withdraw from the MoU? I've heard this from three pilots that have flown with him and he's yet to return an email or any of my phone calls. Can we even "withdraw" from the MoU?

 

[dca319]

"General"?...Aww...how "cute", especially coming from a self-fantasized "patriot" and "man" 🙂 Sigh! You and Move2CLT should get yourselves a new obamaland "whatever" marriage certificate, and just have a lifetime of mutally loving fun on your "XBoxes". 😉

Sounds like the Colonel has his undies in a bundle. Stand down Gunny.

 

[Phoenix]

I'm glad to take a break from the old debate for a while.

I think the administration wants to come out as looking out for the consumer. I don't think it's well thought out.

The alliances have an interest but the question remains on their influence. How much do they have?

The alliances... Threaten to move DCA out of Star to move it to Oneworld...

Oh, never mind, let's just acknowledge that the alliances had to overcome "antitrust issues" in 100s of countries in order to even exist as an alliance. They understand the game and the players better than anyone else... Profiting from the strategic combination of routes and passengers is their raison d'être. They have the most at stake. And hardly anyone even understands them.

 

[3dtv]

Why is John Taylor telling out pilots that if things go badly with Silver and the Nicolau award, that we'll withdraw from the MoU? I've heard this from three pilots that have flown with him and he's yet to return an email or any of my phone calls. Can we even "withdraw" from the MoU?

No.

 

[Metroyet]

I agree, I can't wait till USAPA is gone, Hummel, Bradford, Streble and Ray are so corrupt it makes me sick, just protecting their 200,000 plus salary at our expense, I can't wait till it all comes out. Geez who in their right mind gives up C of C and scope for nothing in return not to mention all the money left on the table.

1.6 billion is nothing? The membership ratified it, PHX by a huge margin....the membership gave it away.

 

[dca319]

No.

Then why is John Taylor telling our pilots that that's our Plan B to deal with the Nicolau?

 

[767one]

Why is John Taylor telling out pilots that if things go badly with Silver and the Nicolau award, that we'll withdraw from the MoU? I've heard this from three pilots that have flown with him and he's yet to return an email or any of my phone calls. Can we even "withdraw" from the MoU?

I don't know if either side can withdraw but if anyone would have the answer I would have thought that you would be that person.

Happy labor day!!

Bob

 

[mrbreeze]

Why is John Taylor telling out pilots that if things go badly with Silver and the Nicolau award, that we'll withdraw from the MoU? I've heard this from three pilots that have flown with him and he's yet to return an email or any of my phone calls. Can we even "withdraw" from the MoU?

Liar, I have talked to John......this is BS propaganda that you made up, JJ.

 

[mrbreeze]

You put yourself down when you reneged on a mutually agreed upon arbitration process.

The everyone sees you for for what you are.

Ah yes, we are seen for what we are......you should give that some thought, traitor. The NIC award was against ALPA merger policy, ie, no windfall for either group.

 

[Pi brat]

Then why is John Taylor telling our pilots that that's our Plan B to deal with the Nicolau?

Fodase! I knew that writing style from somewhere. Integrity challenged.

 

[Claxon]

Liar, I have talked to John......this is BS propaganda that you made up, JJ.

JJ has multiple screens, many of the west group do. You are dealing with individuals with many identities.