August 2013 Pilot Discussion

[Claxon]

Yea, but there's that pesky "already been arbitrated" elephant in the room.

You just proved you are clueless with that statement.

 

[EastUS1]

I don't think many of them would recognize a pachyderm if it sat on them.

You're just addressing a worthless, brain-dead little pimple on an elepAAhant's AArse that wants to seat it's self atop all of us. Get at least SOME slight semblance of a clue here...If, for even a second, you can surrender the absurd fantasy that they're all worshipfully overawed by you "spartans", and your "righteous cause"....? 🙂

Quick reality check = Which owned the most respect and had the more profound influence in airline history?:
1) TWA?
2) Umm..stifling laughter, with much difficulty here...AWA?...and yet you fantasize much more major "respect" forthcoming for your little "army" of..umm.."spartans" than TWA garnered?..OK..I can't help but laugh now. 🙂

The complete and entire utility of your group to the APA folks lies soley in your well-demonstrated capacity to play the part of, as the Stalanist regime so aptly termed (and "doug" would certainly, if only secretly agree), nothing more than "Useful Idiots"....Period!

 

[snapthis]

You're just addressing a worthless, brain-dead little pimple on an elepAAhant's AArse that wants to seat it's self atop all of us. Get at least SOME slight semblance of a clue here...If, for even a second, you can surrender the absurd fantasy that they're all worshipfully overawed by you "spartans", and your "righteous cause"....? 🙂

In my house there are a set of rules to follow. That's what my parents taught with the consequences being an appointment with a belt. When I have a green light to go through an intersection I would hope that the other driver stops on red. The way a Usapian thinks, if there are no redlight cameras or cops nearby it's OK to run the light. That's because rules don't apply to them.

I learned at an early age that anarchy is not to be tolerated.

 

[EastUS1]

In my house there are a set of rules to follow. That's what my parents taught with the consequences being an appointment with a belt. When I have a green light to go through an intersection I would hope that the other driver stops on red. The way a Usapian thinks, if there are no redlight cameras or cops nearby it's OK to run the light. That's because rules don't apply to them.

I learned at an early age that anarchy is not to be tolerated.

"I would hope that the other driver stops on red. "...? For myself?...I don't solely care about the light's color, and find it wise to scan all directions. In many places on earth; such signals are but "suggestions"...if said signals even exist at all. 😉

No offence, but you've apparently enjoyed the benefits of living an extremely sheltered life. 🙂 Human nature, at it's basic level, supports no such themes. You wanna' support such notions sir?...You had better damn well be ready to FIGHT for them...Whatever the cost! The actual, no Fantasyland/infantile AWA BS, but Real Spartans at Thermpylae fully understood this. At the risk of going ridiculous with a cutesie little video...consider the following, per "rules":

 

[EastUS1]

"I would hope that the other driver stops on red. "...? For myself?...I don't solely care about the light's color, and find it wise to scan all directions. In many places on earth; such signals are but "suggestions"...if said signals even exist at all. 😉

PS: An overly dramatic above presentation in it's entirety, I'll freely admit, BUT...if any of you AWA "spartans" imagine the APA to be your long-lost, loving parent figures in anything here...well...think again. That's all.

 

[end_of_alpa]

I'm sure someday USAPA will look back and say "We made a mistake" Right?

A couple of dozen TWA mad dogs left, yet we have all their pilots... AND STL closing

Reno air- a few hundred pilots and no jets left. RNO- closed

Air Cal 4-500 pilots, jets arked.... And wait for it......SNA closed.

BTW, you'd better read up on how MB works. Your theory of how it can be weaponized is fantasy.

I know about HOW MB works. I like the term "weaponized". TWA, Reno and Air Cal I am in support of. Stripping those same pilots of the LOS is the same lapse in judgment the AWA pilots exercise. See you "Hitler Youth" out in the line.

 

[end_of_alpa]

Entitled to what?

Already covered:

http://www.twapilot.org/TWA%20vs.%20ALPA%20Documents/Lee%20Seham%20Report.pdf

Here's what really happened, and the source:

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CHRG-108shrg88585/html/CHRG-108shrg88585.htm

Today I want to use my time to offer you a little
background on American's acquisition of TWA's assets during the
early part of 2001 and our efforts to provide jobs to the
20,000 TWA employees who would have otherwise been facing the
liquidation of their company.
It was always our intent to provide jobs to the TWA workers
until their retirement, and we did everything we could to put
our newest employees on par with all other American employees.
In fact, we provided pay and benefits that represent one of the
most generous employee packages in the history of corporate
acquisitions.
Before TWA filed bankruptcy in January of 2001, it
approached the other major U.S. airlines about entering into
some kind of transaction whereby TWA could have continued to
operate. Only American was willing to make a comprehensive
proposal that saved the jobs of many TWA employees.
Under the asset purchase agreement, American voluntarily
agreed to provide employment to all unionized TWA employees.
The bankruptcy court found American's offer to be the only
qualifying offer and approved the asset purchase agreement. The
alternative was liquidation, and the immediate unemployment of
20,000 TWA workers.
Our goal was to successfully integrate the two airlines. We
knew that we would not be successful unless we had the good
will of the TWA employees. From the very beginning, we offered
TWA employees compensation and benefits that rewarded them as
if they had worked their entire career at American.
TWA employees were not brought on as new hires and lost no
pay, benefits, accrued vacation time, or sick leave. We gave
TWA employees full credit for their longevity for these
purposes.
As of January 2002, we put all TWA employees on American's
pay scale. Because TWA pay rates had been significantly lower
than those at American, the majority received a substantial pay
increase.
It is important to note that this was not a merger. As we
began the asset acquisition process, we had longstanding
obligations to the existing workforce at American of more than
100,000 employees and to the contracts negotiated with their
unions.
But the challenge of integrating two workforces goes beyond
matters of benefits and pay. It is the right and the
responsibility of the labor unions that represent our employees
to negotiate on their memberships' behalf on a wide range of
other contract provisions, including seniority and job
protection, and they are at issue today.
This, as you can imagine, was a difficult situation for all
involved. We had competing unions with competing interests, and
ultimately, these matters were resolved as internal union
matters. The company's role in the process was to use our best
efforts to facilitate the seniority integration process, and as
one independent arbitrator ruled, we did just that.
Even though the seniority integrations varied with each
work group--pilots, flight attendants and ground workers--
American met its commitment to provide former TWA employees
full credit for their years of service at TWA for all pay and
benefit purposes.
At the time of this asset acquisition, no one foresaw the
industry's impending financial crisis--a financial crisis that
regrettably has led to the furloughing of so many employees
throughout the industry, including at American.
The ultimate consequences for the TWA employees were not
the result of the integration plan, but rather an economic
downturn that forced layoffs and cutbacks throughout the
industry. The pain has been spread far and wide.
I appreciate the efforts of this Congress to provide aid to
the airline industry and assistance to the tens of thousands of
workers who have lost their jobs. I hope that we can all soon
anticipate better times for the U.S. airline industry and begin
to turn our focus toward recall our fellow workers.
Thank you for your attention, and I would be happy to
address your questions.

Sounds just like.....American.....TODAY. Bankrupt without the assistance of US Airways. You guys need to go at the bottom of the integrated seniority list.

 

[Phoenix]

You just proved you are clueless with that statement.

Someone is ignorant of the litigation, and the dissent that made implicit assumptions. More implicit assumptions...

 

[Phoenix]

Here's what really happened, ...

Frankly it ain't my problem and I can't imagine why you want me to read such a long post (other than it must help you feel justified about whatever "really happened"). Yawn. Old news. Whatever really happened is MB.

 

[Phoenix]

PHX Stress Management Workshop Postponed

We regret the June Stress Management Seminar/Workshop is postponed to an undetermined date and time, due to a scheduling conflict of our guests.

John, Roger & Dave

 

[luvthe9]

In my house there are a set of rules to follow. That's what my parents taught with the consequences being an appointment with a belt. When I have a green light to go through an intersection I would hope that the other driver stops on red. The way a Usapian thinks, if there are no redlight cameras or cops nearby it's OK to run the light. That's because rules don't apply to them.

I learned at an early age that anarchy is not to be tolerated.

I learned at an early age not to cut the line, and only take what I earned. Leonidas was founded on cutting the line and stealing unearned positions.

 

[EastUS1]

I know about HOW MB works. I like the term "weaponized".

Works for me.

"TWA, Reno and Air Cal I am in support of. Stripping those same pilots of the LOS is the same lapse in judgment the AWA pilots exercise." Agreed.

In fairness: None of the nearly equally ancient brothers I know at AMR think as does that little punk.

 

[snapthis]

I learned at an early age not to cut the line, and only take what I earned. Leonidas was founded on cutting the line and stealing unearned positions.

I was on the property before your airline was acquired
so I think I would rethink the cutting in line BS.

Now get in line behind Odell where you belong, Courtney.

 

[EastUS1]

I was on the property before your airline was acquired

Wow! How very impressive indeed! So...Umm...How long have you actually been on the property then? Don't be bashful, impress us all!...? 🙂 Or...is there indeed some degree of inner turmoil present when it comes to ever admitting just how patently ridiculous and obscene west greed truly is? 😉 Why be embarrassed at all..what with all that "righteousness"?

 

[cactusboy53]

David Simmons

@cactusboy53


Christian, Husband, Father, America West / US Airways Pilot and all around nice guy!
cactuspilot.com

Your math is fuzzy mr Christian. You are a hypocrite. Provide solid numbers, not your humble opinions.

mr "Christian", the angry afo club is now and forever will be john mcIlvenna, mitch vasilino, Eric "greasball" ferguson and many more of your army of lyingitas brothers.

I am enjoying watching your angry f/o group and your time in hell.

https://twitter.com/cactusboy53

WOW. That's a lot of anger to shoulder my friend. I sure hope you don't implode when this done. It sounds like you are the verge of a breakdown.

Stay safe, buddy.

Dave