August 2013 Pilot Discussion

[AAviator]

A brief history lesson. The reason there are two distinct lists currently in effect at LCC, with separate bidding, bases and different pay - is because the Nic was never implemented and could not be implemented without a ratification vote explicitly accepting the Nic in Section 22 (seniority) of our JCBA (LCC JCBA), which we never completed.

The process was never completed and has been eclipsed by the merger with you. The old dispute ended in a stalemate with neither Nic nor DOH prevailing.

The next, conolidated, New American seniority list has not yet been crafted. The process to do so is about to begin under the umbrella of McKaskill Bond, unless a negotiated settlement is reached first.

The time you've worked at AA may not mean much to you, but it pisses many of us off over here when a former union or arbitrator dismisses it as worthless. So be sure not to include your time with AA as part of your opener.

'84

I bring an active job (a durable one with jets on the property and on order) to the table. What did your furloughed guys bring?

 

[AAviator]

Piedmont,
Did the arbitrated list have a return policy? just because it hasn't been implemented it's invalid? says who?

I can't imagine an arbitrator turning oner a previous arbitrators work.

 

[Piedmont1984]

I bring an active job (a durable one with jets on the property and on order) to the table. What did your furloughed guys bring?

Good for you, look forward to working with you. You and I are having this exchange and I was not furloughed. But speaking of furloughed - I believe you have a number in that category. Are you concerned about them, or do you intend to pull up the ladder first?

 

[Piedmont1984]

Piedmont,
Did the arbitrated list have a return policy? just because it hasn't been implemented it's invalid? says who?

I can't imagine an arbitrator turning oner a previous arbitrators work.

Sure, it's valid. All we need is a ratification vote with the Nic imbeded in Section 22 and part of an LCC only JCBA. But we better hurry.

 

[AAviator]

Sure, it's valid. -snip-

Thats all the arbitrator of our list will use...

Get used to it.

BTW, you're welcome for the giant pay raise. 🙂

 

[AAviator]

Good for you, look forward to working with you. You and I are having this exchange and I was not furloughed. But speaking of furloughed - I believe you have a number in that category. Are you concerned about them, or do you intend to pull up the ladder first?

Nope, all have been offered recall. They'll be ahead of some of your tail end charlies...

 

[nycbusdriver]

I can't imagine an arbitrator turning oner a previous arbitrators work.

Well, start imagining. Arbitrators have opinions, and do not necessarily march in lock-step. No doubt, there are arbitrators out there that think Nicolau screwed the pooch on this one, and salivate at the chance of weighing in on it.

Do all judges always agree on everything? Even the Supreme Court occasionally overturns its own predecessors' decisions.

Just because an arbitrator issues a ruling does not mean it is right, nor that every other arbitrator agrees with it.

 

[Piedmont1984]

Thats all the arbitrator of our list will use...

Get used to it.

BTW, you're welcome for the giant pay raise. 🙂

Before you embrace the idea of arbitration, be careful what you wish for. I would prefer to see both sides reach a negotiated settlement and thereby have a direct hand in our mutual future.

Wouldn't you agree?

P.S. Sure, thanks for the raise.

 

[Piedmont1984]

Nope, all have been offered recall. They'll be ahead of some of your tail end charlies...

If memory serves, all of ours were recalled when the fan became obstructed with manure back in '07.

 

[Pi brat]

Here you go AAviator. The love begins from the east.

Not sure how the easties will spin you AA guys as losers and less experienced but expect it. Also expect the safety card to be tossed if anything AA is used.

Soon you will get an up close view of what the west has been dealing with for 8 years. At least APA will be the majority.

Really?! Really?! YOU are the one that has used the safety card. When are you going to start on how AA was the Titanic, you saved them, bring up their accidents.

The reason I called him a douche is because he is one, not because of his stance on the Nic. There are plenty of guys that believe the Nic was fair that I like. This AW has been a xxxx stirrer from day one.

 

[EastUS1]

If we didn't fight we would end up with DOH (with your pathetic conditions and restrictions). The literal kiss of death to 95% of AWA pilots. So, fight we will to the end which in my estimation, is coming soon.

Umm...."The literal kiss of death to 95% of AWA pilots."...? Seriously?: "The literal kiss of death..", followed by an "Amen brother" from another? Whew! I now see how it was ever actually possible for you folks to "heroically" imagine yourselves to be mighty "spartans"...Wow! Folks; you just can't make this kind of "stuff" up. 🙂

 

[cleardirect]

It will be the NIC.
How do we make a bet?

Proceeds/winning go to charity....

Betting with east pilots is a losing proposition. Their word is worthless as they can't be trusted to live up to it.

They will have all kinds of justification and excuses why they should not do what they said they would. Someone else's fault, they were cheated, they are owned something.

Like dealing with Parker. His word is worthless.

 

[AAviator]

Before you embrace the idea of arbitration, be careful what you wish for. I would prefer to see both sides reach a negotiated settlement and thereby have a direct hand in our mutual future.

Wouldn't you agree?

P.S. Sure, thanks for the raise.

In a perfect world, yes, I would agree a negotiated settlement is best. I don't see that happening.

We need to protect our jobs and equipment. both current and on order. i don't see USAPA allowing for that.


Period.

 

[cleardirect]

A brief history lesson. The reason there are two distinct lists currently in effect at LCC, with separate bidding, bases and different pay - is because the Nic was never implemented and could not be implemented without a ratification vote explicitly accepting the Nic in Section 22 (seniority) of our JCBA (LCC JCBA), which we never completed.

The process was never completed and has been eclipsed by the merger with you. The old dispute ended in a stalemate with neither Nic nor DOH prevailing.

The next, conolidated, New American seniority list has not yet been crafted. The process to do so is about to begin under the umbrella of McKaskill Bond, unless a negotiated settlement is reached first.

The time you've worked at AA may not mean much to you, but it pisses many of us off over here when a former union or arbitrator dismisses it as worthless. So be sure not to include your time with AA as part of your opener.

'84

You left out a very important part. WHY are we still separate? Because you easties refuse to live up to your agreements.

M/B is not legal to use to merger the east and west list. Read the transcripts and court filings every entity has said that the east west has to be finished BEFORE the us airways American list can be done.

BTW Nicoalu did not declare your 17 years worthless. He just determined that it took 17 years at us air to be worth what a new hire had at America West.

It is a SENIORITY. Integration not a time integration when are you going to understand that?

 

[AAviator]

If memory serves, all of ours were recalled when the fan became obstructed with manure back in '07.

Your personal recollection feature need re-booted.