August 2013 Pilot Discussion

[AAviator]

The reason I called him a douche is because he is one, not because of his stance on the Nic.

Shooting the messenger because you don't like the message?

<sigh>

 

[EastUS1]

We need to protect our jobs and equipment. both current and on order.

And you can honestly even imagine the process of arbitration magically ensuring any such result? You really should pay more attention to the world around you. No matter. Thanks for the Joke of the Day. 🙂

 

[cleardirect]

Before you embrace the idea of arbitration, be careful what you wish for. I would prefer to see both sides reach a negotiated settlement and thereby have a direct hand in our mutual future.

Wouldn't you agree?

P.S. Sure, thanks for the raise.

Except your east guys have no clue how to negotiate. Pounding the table and demanding DoH or a pay raise does not work.

All you have to do is review history. You eastie refused to move off of DOH LOS with the west. Still refuse to move off DOH while lying to to court about compromise.

Wat makes you think usapa can make a deal with APA? What makes the APA believe that you easties will live up to your deal even if you could make one?

There will be no deal because you easties are incapable of making a deal.

 

[Piedmont1984]

In a perfect world, yes, I would agree a negotiated settlement is best. I don't see that happening.

We need to protect our jobs and equipment. both current and on order. i don't see USAPA allowing for that.


Period.

If you're referring to your W/Bs, everyone I have spoken to, both on the line and working in the union, expect to see a fence around your W/Bs. As far as the narrowbody fleet goes, I've flown Airbus, Boeing, M/D and Fokker - and my conclusion is 'parts is parts'.

Lets not write off negotiations before the've even begun.

 

[AAviator]

You left out a very important part. WHY are we still separate? Because you easties refuse to live up to your agreements.

M/B is not legal to use to merger the east and west list. Read the transcripts and court filings every entity has said that the east west has to be finished BEFORE the us airways American list can be done.

BTW Nicoalu did not declare your 17 years worthless. He just determined that it took 17 years at us air to be worth what a new hire had at America West.

It is a SENIORITY. Integration not a time integration when are you going to understand that?

 

[AAviator]

If you're referring to your W/Bs, everyone I have spoken to, both on the line and working in the union, expect to see a fence around your W/Bs. As far as the narrowbody fleet goes, I've flown Airbus, Boeing, M/D and Fokker - and my conclusion is 'parts is parts'.

Lets not write off negotiations before the've even begun.

Parts is parts? 400+ on order..... How many of them should you be entitled to? I say we keep them ALL. I'll bet you don't think that...

No way in hell this isn't going to arbitration

 

[jetjok1]

A declaration of support for one side?

The sides went away when you (all of you) clowns agreed to binding arbitration. There are no sides to support. Just one LCC pilot seniority list.

As far a your pissing contest comment, I wouldn't call it a pissing contest, but rather some doctorate level work in assholery.

Sure, the pool is yellow... But you guys made it that way. We're all about to jump in with the coming SLI process....

Clowns? Sounds more like Fodase with a sprinkle of Uhaul everyday.

 

[cleardirect]

Really?! Really?! YOU are the one that has used the safety card. When are you going to start on how AA was the Titanic, you saved them, bring up their accidents.

The reason I called him a douche is because he is one, not because of his stance on the Nic. There are plenty of guys that believe the Nic was fair that I like. This AW has been a xxxx stirrer from day one.

I was the one that threw the safety card???

Check the facts. Who was drug I to court and stipulated to an injunction for an illegal job action? East or west pilots? Who cried safety because of the call sign? Which side whined to the FAA because of the check list and flows?

No I am not going to say that the west or us airways saved AA. Entirely different situation. AA did not need the merger. Us air did. AA was not going to close the doors, us air was. Without the merger your furloughs were never getting recall. AA furloughs were.

Even in BK the APA negotiated a better contract than usapa could have ever gotten stand alone.

 

[cleardirect]

In a perfect world, yes, I would agree a negotiated settlement is best. I don't see that happening.

We need to protect our jobs and equipment. both current and on order. i don't see USAPA allowing for that.


Period.

Usapa does not want to allow anyone, anything. They think it all belongs to them. Since they are owed from 20 years ago and they have had such a hard career.

 

[CaptChill]

Parts is parts? 400+ on order..... How many of them should you be entitled to? I say we keep them ALL. I'll bet you don't think that...

No way in hell this isn't going to arbitration

Well given your attitude, if you are one of the ones negotiating... you damn right this will end up in arbitration. I still think you are a poser.

 

[AAviator]

And you can honestly even imagine the process of arbitration magically ensuring any such result? You really should pay more attention to the world around you. No matter. Thanks for the Joke of the Day. 🙂

Wipe the drool off you face.

Piedmont, there ya go..... ^^tool^^

 

[cleardirect]

If you're referring to your W/Bs, everyone I have spoken to, both on the line and working in the union, expect to see a fence around your W/Bs. As far as the narrowbody fleet goes, I've flown Airbus, Boeing, M/D and Fokker - and my conclusion is 'parts is parts'.

Lets not write off negotiations before the've even begun.

So now it is parts is parts. Yet the worthless C&R usapa wants is the east keeps everything the west stays in PHX and the east gets half of that.

What happened to base fences and nobody can bid into east bases? It would seem NOW you want what AA has.

Situational ethics showing up again.

Yes negotiations are written off if usapa is at the table.

 

[AAviator]

Well given your attitude, if you are one of the ones negotiating... you damn right this will end up in arbitration. I still think you are a poser.

80% of our DFW 777 F/O's are 767 I Captain seniority, yet chose to fly as 777 F/O's due to Q.O.L. and economics. When that thing launches to Asia, there's a crew of 4.

Not only is our Intl. flying greater, the job dynamic in a lot of cases is something that doesn't exist at LCC. There are elements to this SLI that you fail to understand or truthfully don't even know exists.

You're more naive than i thought if you believe this will be a negotiated settlement.

Any takers on my bet?

 

[EastUS1]

Wipe the drool off you face.

Piedmont, there ya go.....

Any drooling's entirely your own kid. It's my thought that the SLI between AMR and LCC would best be handled by both sides working out a mutually acceptable end that doesn't trust the future to the whims of any arbitrators. I've faith that such childish buffoons as yourself aren't hardly representative of the APA's position, and will hope for a rational proceeding. Whether that's possible or not will depend on the people involved.

 

[Piedmont1984]

Parts is parts? 400+ on order..... How many of them should you be entitled to? I say we keep them ALL. I'll bet you don't think that...

No way in hell this isn't going to arbitration

You just posted that all your pilots have been offered recall. How many airplanes do you personally intend to fly at one time? Who will be manning the 400+ orders? How about the orders on our side?

Hey, if you really, really want this to go to arbitration, don't count on doing this time around what you've done in past mergers.