August 2013 Pilot Discussion

[EastUS1]

There are elements to this SLI that you fail to understand or truthfully don't even know exists.

Like what?

 

[Piedmont1984]

So now it is parts is parts. Yet the worthless C&R usapa wants is the east keeps everything the west stays in PHX and the east gets half of that.

What happened to base fences and nobody can bid into east bases? It would seem NOW you want what AA has.

Situational ethics showing up again.

Yes negotiations are written off if usapa is at the table.

Ah... no, I don't want what AA has. I've also never wanted what the west has. Take some responsibility for your own predicament. How many west pilots could be flying widebodies, or checking out as captains - today?

 

[Piedmont1984]

80% of our DFW 777 F/O's are 767 I Captain seniority, yet chose to fly as 777 F/O's due to Q.O.L. and economics. When that thing launches to Asia, there's a crew of 4.

Not only is our Intl. flying greater, the job dynamic in a lot of cases is something that doesn't exist at LCC. There are elements to this SLI that you fail to understand or truthfully don't even know exists.

You're more naive than i thought if you believe this will be a negotiated settlement.

Any takers on my bet?

I'll bet you $5 that there will be serious efforts to reach a negotiated settlement (efforts from both sides btw), and another $5 that arbitration will seriously dissappoint you.

 

[AAviator]

Any drooling's entirely your own kid. It's my thought that the SLI between AMR and LCC would best be handled by both sides working out a mutually acceptable end that doesn't trust the future to the whims of any arbitrators. I've faith that such childish buffoons as yourself aren't hardly representative of the APA's position, and will hope for a rational proceeding. Whether that's possible or not will depend on the people involved.

As long as it re-alingns the west to where you think they belong...


Correct?

 

[AAviator]

You just posted that all your pilots have been offered recall. How many airplanes do you personally intend to fly at one time? Who will be manning the 400+ orders? How about the orders on our side?

Hey, if you really, really want this to go to arbitration, don't count on doing this time around what you've done in past mergers.

thats a couple thousand captain upgrades... Our jets on order. How many of those captain seats should go to you?

 

[AAviator]

I'll bet you $5 that there will be serious efforts to reach a negotiated settlement (efforts from both sides btw), and another $5 that arbitration will seriously dissappoint you.

Not doubting you. I don't see USAPA being realistic in their positions. Period.

There's nothing -to date- that suggests otherwise. In fact, quite the opposite. What has history shown us about your side show called USAPA?

 

[EastUS1]

As long as it re-alingns the west to where you think they belong...


Correct?

AAviator: "400+ on order..... How many of them should you be entitled to? I say we keep them ALL."...Correct? 😉 Given your tender concerns for the west; how could you possibly deny those nobles their "rightful place" on so much as even one of your ordered aircraft? 🙂 This place is always good for some hearty chuckles.

 

[3dtv]

Thats all the arbitrator of our list will use...

Get used to it.

BTW, you're welcome for the giant pay raise. 🙂

Hey Moron, get done facts. The "giant" pay raise is below what we were to get with back pay in our own contract. The table offer already equalled your BK pay and there would be more. Good luck spinning a raise as our win. Parker still owes more than AA or LCC will pay and we will not forget.

 

[AAviator]

AAviator: "400+ on order..... How many of them should you be entitled to? I say we keep them ALL."...Correct? 😉 Given your tender concerns for the west; how could you possibly deny those nobles their "rightful place" on so much as even one of your ordered aircraft? 🙂 This place is always good for some hearty chuckles.

There is no "west". There is a LCC list....

chuckling myself.... B)

 

[AAviator]

Hey Moron, get done facts. The "giant" pay raise is below what we were to get with back pay in our own contract. The table offer already equalled your BK pay and there would be more. Good luck spinning a raise as our win. Parker still owes more than AA or LCC will pay and we will not forget.

Hey moron, "what we were to get back" (aw shucks, I guess you'll get 'em next time)

LMAO!!!!!!

How'd that work out for you? You have a new contract courtesy of APA, not USAPA.

it's only worth north of 1.6 Billion dollars to you guys...

http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/files/2013/01/USAPA-Flight-Plan-to-a-Merger-MOU-explainer-January-2013.pdf

 

[EastUS1]

There is no "west". There is a LCC list....

chuckling myself.... B)

So, which is it at this moment?: "As long as it re-alingns the west to where you think they belong...", or "There is no "west"....? 🙂 And again, as you're nobly championing the west's concerns; why do such heartwarming concerns not involve ANY thoughts towards granting them access to ANY of your 400 ordered aircraft? 😉

 

[AAviator]

So, which is it at this moment?: "As long as it re-alingns the west to where you think they belong...", or "There is no "west"....? 🙂

A little early to be drinking?

re-read what was posted.

 

[AAviator]

There are former Allegheny pilots on your list.
There are former USAir pilots on your list.
There are former Empire pilots on your list.
There are former Piedmont pilots on your list.
There are former Eastern pilots on your list.
There are former AWA pilots on your list.
(did I miss any?)

They have an order...

There is an LCC pilot seniority list.

One you'd like to dismiss, but ultimately that order will stand the test of time.

 

[prechilill]

Thats all the arbitrator of our list will use...

Get used to it.

BTW, you're welcome for the giant pay raise. 🙂

Well, the East feels they lost the first arbitration so now they're gunning for best two out of three. If that doesn't work for them they will revert to the classic "paper scissors rock" contest on a yet to be named elementary school playground. Because, they are men of genius...

 

[Pi brat]

Shooting the messenger because you don't like the message?

<sigh>

Nope, don't care about you message. I have a long memory and I remember you posts from over a year ago and your "stir,stir" comment. That's what you are, a xxxx stirring AAhole.

You mentioned your 400 airplanes on order. What about ours? What about the new ones we have had delivered? How many of your A/C are in need of being turned into beer cans?